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all right good evening ah so looking

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Terry on for such a long time and I

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don't know if I'll mention it tonight

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with Terry but I had originally when

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Terry was still undecided about coming

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out I had heard about his case and but

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he wasn't ready this was like three

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years ago three or four years ago three

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years ago and there you go so he's on

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with us tonight finally it's very

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interesting it's not too often that

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somebody of his caliber comes out with a

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story like this and and and go so public

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with it so it's it's gonna be a really

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good show and yeah so we got the bunker

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camp back everything is functional I

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don't know what we're gonna be doing

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with YouTube in the future but it's you

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know it's here now

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but I'm not sure what's gonna happen

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with the channel and I have to deal with

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that we're gonna be going live here in a

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few minutes and tomorrow night Rob

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Potter is here and then Thursday night

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is of course fate or night and we're

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working really really hard to get to

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this weekend we need some much-needed

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rest and relaxation but it's all good

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it's all good

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and that's about it so enjoy the show

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tonight and I don't have much commentary

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I'll speak a little bit about the summit

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that went down over in North Korea

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probably not exactly what you're going

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to expect but here we go we're going

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced on applying their - found

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under now in the possession of the on a

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rig change the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA the Global Radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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like with Jimmy Church on the

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game-changing network

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good evening

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save the block this spoke

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massive yeah man

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today's Monday June

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somewhere in downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and kera the

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planets coming off Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doin an

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amazing show we've got right in front of

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Terry Lovelace joins us a former

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amazing encounter contact and his new

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book incident at Devil's Den yeah so

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that's what we're gonna be talking about

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tonight and get ready for this I've

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going back to when I had first heard

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about his case and him and and back then

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assistant attorney general and an

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attorney and and and so forth and and

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implants and contact and I was like what

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show well he's not ready and you know

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you hear that like man you know okay all

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right well it's taken a while but

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tonight Terry is gonna share his his

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experience with all of you so get ready

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for that

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tomorrow night Rob Potter is here and

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show Thursday night is another Fator

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night with Jon Rappoport and there's no

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more fake

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newsroom live followed by open lines all

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okay now let's get everything out of the

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way on stellar is just absolutely

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amazing and I was looking at the numbers

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later on in the week when those kick in

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it's everything that we thought it would

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be and much much more and so as we start

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to phase out Facebook and YouTube and

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start to move everything over on stellar

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you can go now and join okay it's very

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simple it's just the next great amazing

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social media platform totally free to

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sign up it's just a social media

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platform like Facebook or anything else

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all right totally free and as a matter

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of fact you get paid to join okay so

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and and go build your profile page like

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you do with anything else and go start

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saying hello to friends and building

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your friends list and maybe get a group

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started events write articles do all of

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that but when you sign up and you go to

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your profile page on the left there

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wallet and there will be ten tokens

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you go and it's done that way for a lot

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of different reasons but it's a token

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based economy so you're gonna get ten

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tokens just to sign up if you use my

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referral code which is Jimmy very simple

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use my referral code

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you're gonna get 15 bonus tokens and

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you're gonna go over and you're gonna

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look and you're gonna have 25 of those

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it is wonderful it is the internet 3.0

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so go now and join and sign up and

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participate in on stellar okay on

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stellar com ons te ll AR and when you do

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send me a friend request so cool I mean

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every day I got a pile of firm requests

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oh by the way use a profile picture

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I'm warning everybody right now I have

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got over it on stellar right now

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somewhere in the neighborhood of five

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hundred pending friend requests that I

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picture no profile picture no

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confirmation from me

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okay and so I go I'm reviewing it all

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the time and and people will add their

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profile picture and then I accept the

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friend request so do it

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don't hide be proud of who you are put

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see who you are I do I really do I want

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to see who you are so do the profile

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picture and look yeah thank you mark

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the infamous on stellar placeholder pic

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this is who you are to me I'm tweeting

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it now this is who you are to me on on

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stellar without your profile pic and I'm

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gonna write that right here this is who

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with out without your profile pic there

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you go see and that's it so I've got

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I've got 500 of these staring at me in

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the face I've accidentally accepted a

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couple so if you slip through the cracks

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just because I was just clicking away

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congratulations but put up a profile pic

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do it do it so many people over on

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selling right now it is just so cool so

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on stellar you can still know of course

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our Twitter's not going to go away until

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something funky happens there but you

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can follow me on twitter at j radio that

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is simple don't worry about facebook we

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updated once in a while and we'll

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complete transition I don't know what to

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darkness that I just never thought I

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would see man but over at on stellar

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there will be soon video channels that's

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right okay okay alright enough of the

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dark stuff let's get to the good stuff

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the sandbox on Twitter is hashtag f2b

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come and hang out with us over there

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okay that is an amazing conversation

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station we do mm maybe 3,000 tweets at

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night and so come over and hang out with

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this error hashtag f2b we have to chat

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rooms one over at Spreaker and one over

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a kg RA the planet so you can hang out

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there if chatting is the way that you

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want to go and it's so funny every time

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I say that I think about it then I just

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go over and go good evening everyone

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see I do it in real time and they know

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because they're listening to the show

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and they see that come in Miami and

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churches legit churches led

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all right you can also email Jimmy at

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Jimmy Church radio calm if you have any

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questions or comments during the show

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tonight

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it right there and fade to black

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crackin I'm ready

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breaking news Kentucky Fried Chicken

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KFC is getting ready to launch wait for

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vegetarian Fried Chicken seriously

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that's right that's right now yeah let

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your imagination run for a second

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they are perfecting vegetarian fried

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chicken and it will be deep-fried made

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of what it's gonna be a secret but I

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have one thing to say I've got about 10

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but but if you're a vegetarian and you

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go to a place called Kentucky Fried

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vegetarian you're not you're not and I

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that and I just man that's nasty yeah

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isn't that bizarre and it's it's it's

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funny to me because every all the vegans

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out there other vegetarians try to make

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vegetables taste like meat they do and I

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get I get those very kind very nice very

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sweet dinner invites all the time that

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you know they always say the same thing

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I can't imagine them every day

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Jimmy we want to take you and Reid out

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for gourmet vegan meal you're gonna love

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it man it tastes

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like meat come on you're gonna love it I

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promise it'll be the best you ever had

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the best vegan restaurant in lausanne I

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get it all the time all the time

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I do we all love the taste of meat even

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vegans and but how come I can't send out

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the invite that says you know what I'm

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just gonna say how come I can't send the

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invite that says Rita and I would like

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to take you out to a great steak house

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you go to my vegan friends and tell them

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it's grass-fed beef it tastes just like

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grass you'll love it come on it's the

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best steak house in LA

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only grass-fed beef tastes it tastes it

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tastes grassy I can't do it isn't it

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bizarre double standard absolutely and

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it's so funny when you think about it if

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you go if if a meat-eater like myself

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carnivorous if you go to a party a

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meat-eater party everyone will look out

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for that odd vegan that shows up that

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needs to eat I do it Rita doesn't over

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at the house well you know we take care

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of our vegan friends but if I go to a

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vegan house party they never say hey

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Jimmy come on over we got we hooked you

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up with some cheeseburgers we got you a

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special plate right here just for you

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we're looking out for you it doesn't

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work that way isn't it strange you know

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I would love to I would love to go to a

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vegan restaurant and act like a vegan

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does at a

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Steakhouse just just have those same

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reactions you know and they just bring

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something over and I taste it and I'll

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just spit it out start screaming you

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know what are you doing you know but we

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can't it's it's a strange double

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standard and I really I really kind of

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enjoy the observation and part of it is

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that this is this is what is strange and

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we see this throughout life

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vegans okay meat eaters carnivores right

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like myself we don't mind vegans they're

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cool they're fine no issues don't want

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to eat me don't eat me we're not gonna

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force anything on you it's no big deal

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viens hate us hate and and I'm saying a

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very light word there it's actually

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worse than that but they think we hate

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them too like they hate us and it's

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simply not the case it's simply it's

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just not don't care it's all good

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we we we love everybody but it's not the

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case with vegans you know and it's just

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a strange thing and the treatment that

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carnivores get from vegans you know I

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get I get all of it I get how you became

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a vegan I do watched a couple of videos

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read a couple of books you're an animal

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lover I get all of that you get

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emotional maybe you saw a documentary

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and you cried and and I get that I get

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how you got there that's fine but life

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is about choices life is about choices

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and if somebody likes what they like you

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don't hate them for it if somebody likes

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to wear red pants

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and you can't stand the color red that

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doesn't mean you hate that person right

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it's it's just it life is choices life

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is B and that is what made this planet

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beautiful and I say it all the time that

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God made vanilla and chocolate ice cream

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for a reason for a reason so we can have

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choices

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Jimmy why are you poking the vegan bear

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see exactly not I'm just speaking the

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truth not poking the being a bear I'm

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speaking the truth everything that I

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just said right now is 100% true any

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vegan will tell you that and any

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carnivore will tell you that it's just

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the way that it is and I wish it would

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be different let's just all get along

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together you know it's it's really funny

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so we know you know what I'm not gonna

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go there anymore I want to get bring in

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personal stuff but but it's just the way

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that it is you know and and this

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beautiful planet of ours is is populated

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by just people that are different that's

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it it's people that are different and

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that's all so can't we all get along the

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reason why all of us are here the reason

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why all of us are on this thing called

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fade to black right now is that it's not

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about what's on the outside and it's not

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about what you like or don't like it

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it's about what's on your inside and

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inside you went through something

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something personal something emotional

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is what brings you here and right and is

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what unites all of us and that's what

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I'm interested in I'm not interested in

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anybody's diet habits likes there

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anything like that that it doesn't come

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into play for me and it shouldn't come

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into play for anybody else you know it's

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it's what's on the inside why are we

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here you know and and

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that's what I'm so interested in you

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know sharing stories and experiences and

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and and what brought us here so there

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you go that that's my take on it that's

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my take all right it is funny though

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isn't it isn't I should I you know what

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one day one day let's let's fire up

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those fire up some video and let's go to

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a vegan restaurant this doesn't taste

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like beef our next event coming up will

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be disclosure fest put on by disclosure

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fest in the California State Parks the

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mass meditation initiative

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it'll be downtown Los Angeles at the Los

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Angeles State Historic Park 35 acres

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beautiful go it's a free event totally

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free all you have to do is go to

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disclosure fest dot org and register and

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you will get your free tickets it's that

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simple 35 acres vendors presenters

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speakers Film Fest 35 acres gorgeous

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downtown unbelievable backdrop of

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Chinatown and the downtown Los Angeles

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skyline right there it is incredible

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full day Saturday June 23rd we're gonna

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see all of you there do not miss

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disclosure fest okay now right after

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that is our sole tech gathering at East

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Eddie Ranch and it's going down this

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August August 9th through the 12th just

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go to Seoul tech gathering calm an

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amazing list of teachers and presenters

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are going to be there

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Cori Goods gonna be my special guest

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we've got James Gilliland Jason quit

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Matthew Ryan Makayla Sheldon Teresa

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Henares Holly Marie Mary Gabriel John

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lund Dana Harvey Laura can too and

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you're not and Billy Carson and and I'll

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- as well you're not gonna want to miss

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this and on Sunday night we're gonna

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have food trucks there that are gonna

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come in we're gonna throw a party on the

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field of dreams we're gonna have a lot

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of of our musicians friends musicians

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and friends we're gonna set up and we're

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gonna do all of that right there on the

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field of dreams so you're not gonna want

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to miss us we're gonna do sky watches

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every night got off the phone today

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Steve Murillo it's good to be there with

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his wife Pat so that's that right there

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is the reason to go to Seoul Tech right

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okay not me

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not gilliland not Cory good

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Steve Murillo and his wife Pat are gonna

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be hanging out also on stellar is going

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to be there too as well

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Scott Leslie's going to be there so

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you're gonna want to come up in and hang

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out and they're coming up they're coming

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up as sponsors but they're also coming

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up as attendees so it's going to be just

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the the event of the summer I can

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already see how this is shaping up and

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how excited we are for for this amazing

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amazing four-day weekend for everybody

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and then a week later I'll be over at

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the dimensions of disclosure in Loveland

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Colorado August 17th through the 19th

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and Cori Goods going to be there David

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Wilcock Henry Smith Theresa Ian Morris

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Gerald O'Donnell Jordan Saylor and

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twenty other speakers and presenters so

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tickets and info right there dimensions

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of disclosure calm and I can already see

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the Colorado fader knots that's right

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they're all gonna be there and one group

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we're in there Colorado fader not

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t-shirt that was so cool it's one of my

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favorite images of contact in the desert

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that was so cool so dimensions of

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disclosure dot-com don't forget to

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you get all that autograph fade to black

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gear that everybody takes pictures of

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and post did you see that picture of

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Rajan in front of gueros where did that

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picture go

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somebody needs to post that picture of

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Rajan in front of gueros in Austin Texas

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that's an amazing it's an amazing

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picture rashon there you are

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just like that post your on Twitter I

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want everybody to see that picture of

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you in front of gueros such a cool cool

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picture what who is that oh I thought

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that was me for a second there he go out

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of the fade to black mug Rajan I want to

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see that gueros picture let's get this

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show cracking happy birthday to today

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dave franco today is 33 and i posted it

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because i said happy birthday to franco

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because he's a pretty convincing stoner

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so i'm just gonna leave it at that he's

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pretty funny when he does his stoner

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thing happy birthday dave franco and our

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dead guys birthday today

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are you ready I'm gonna do this man save

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the email our dead guys birthday today

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is the guy who lived to 102

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after getting 15 heart transplants

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that's right David Rockefeller and he's

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still dead allegedly maybe I don't know

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it's probably something on some private

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island in Fiji but there you go Thank

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You Rajan that's what I'm talking about

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right there that gets a retweet every

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that's right

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we're of Austin Texas all right death

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Proof is the movie if you haven't seen

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it on this day in history

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it happened 1982 I'm sorry 1987 and one

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of his most famous cold war speeches

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President Ronald Reagan challenges

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Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev with

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this and I'm quoting mr. Gorbachev open

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this gate mr. Gorbachev tear down this

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wall that's right on this day in 1987

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that was a game-changer saw myself

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Fator fact this is a fader fact there is

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a baby right now there is a baby named

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Netflix hey Seuss now why when and where

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I won't say I will protect the identity

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of this baby's parents for doing this

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but this is a vetted and very real fader

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fact man what kind of what are you doing

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what are you doing as parents what what

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are you doing at the moment we're

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Netflix hey Suze as the name of your

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child just sounds like a good idea what

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what what is happening at that moment

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think about that for a second all right

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tonight very special guest Harry

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Lovelace he's here former attorney

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general assistant attorney general

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lawyer and we're gonna talk about his

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amazing encounter and his new book

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incident at Devil's Den tomorrow night

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Rob Potter is gonna be here and what I

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wanted to mention because I did watch it

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last night after the show was the summit

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over in North Korea and the media the

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media is trying to

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both by all the media by the way both

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both both the right in the left in the

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center are trying to make this like

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nothing happened and it was a big

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nothing burger and and why didn't this

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happen why didn't this happen I'm I'm

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not I'm not I'm not there I'm not in

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that camp

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I don't know and it to me it doesn't

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matter I don't know why Trump is being

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nice on camera and everything else but

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he got the conversation started and when

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I think about where we were you know

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three months ago with missiles being

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fired and and crazy videos of the United

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States getting blown up and threatening

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Hawaii and Guam with nuclear destruction

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and you know oh you know to go from that

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in such a short period to this I really

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don't care how we got here to be honest

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with you and I hope that things continue

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I really really really do the media is

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really trying to turn this into a

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negative thing and I'm not buying it hey

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you know I never buy what the media is

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selling but right now it's it's like too

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obvious and I think generally I think in

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a general sense I think that most of us

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know or feel that North Korea ain't

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gonna give up their stuff we're gonna

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have to really pry it out of their cold

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toning down and maybe just maybe amazing

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stuff will come out of all of this and

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we've got to stay positive I'm not

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buying the negative side that's just

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being fade to black I'm Heroes Jimmy

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Church tonight

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Terry Lovelace stay right there I'll be

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right back on the game changer Network

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Lovelace is here waiting for this

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evening for a very long time

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author of incident at Devil's Den Terry

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is lawyer former assistant attorney

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general Terry was active duty in the Air

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Force from 1973 to 1979 and trained as a

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medic and EMT his entire enlistment was

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spent at Whiteman Air Force Base in

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western Missouri Terry has a bachelor's

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degree in psychology at Park University

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and a Juris Doctor from Western Michigan

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University and mr. Lovelace was in an

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assistant attorney general for the u.s.

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territory of American Samoa and the

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state of Vermont in 2012 a routine x-ray

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of Terry's leg found a bit of metal the

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size of a fingernail with two tiny wires

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attached what followed were horrific

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nightmares spontaneous recall and

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intrusive thoughts surrounding a 1977

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camping trip that he took with a friend

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to Devil's Den State Park in northern

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Arkansas his book is called incident at

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Devil's Den compelling proof of alien

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existence alleged USAF involvement and

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an alien implant discovered accidentally

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on x-ray and I would like to welcome for

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the first time to fade to black mr.

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Terry Lovelace esq by the way good

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evening Terry how are you

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00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:20,739
good evening it's nice to be here it's a

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00:39:26,009 --> 00:39:22,749
pleasure to be here finally well you

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know I feel a little intimidated you're

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the first assistant attorney general

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I've had on the show so I've done

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nothing wrong

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the thing you're a first-time guest and

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we've waited way too many years to get

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you on the show we talked about that

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earlier but you are a first-time guest

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so you get the first-time guests

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disclaimer the next time you're on the

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show you're not gonna get it but you get

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the honor to

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which is this it's just you and I

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:00,020
conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end as

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friends

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all right simple enough you're ready to

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go I am now oh man

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okay I almost want to start at the end

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and then go back to the beginning

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okay so let's kind of start there now

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you have sent us some pretty amazing

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images of the X rays and some other

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stuff is it okay if we post those yes

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please do okay all right so but going to

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make more sense if I start actually in

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1979 well okay well yeah and we'll do

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that but what are what I meant by

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starting at the end was that for

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somebody like yourself in public service

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and certainly you know an Air Force

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career and in a career in law you didn't

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have to come forward even though you've

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had the memories and you've seen the

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x-rays you don't need to come forward

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you're you're retired life is good you

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know what I mean

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you didn't have to that's not any

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intention coming forward you know I

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intended to take this to my grave that's

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right and why didn't you as a matter of

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fact three years ago three or four years

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ago we don't have to discuss how you

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know how I was told about your case but

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when I was told about you back then you

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hadn't come forward yet and you hadn't

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made up your mind and I was pushing to

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have you come forward and but I

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respected your privacy but then you

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decided to go ahead and write the book

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and come out I'm glad that you did but

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what what caused the decision why why

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the change you know after 40 years of

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angry I felt like you know these things

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whatever they are that put their hands

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on and put this thing in my leg right I

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kept their secret for 40-plus years and

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you know this is how they repay me you

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know with screaming nightmares and yeah

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I just got to the point where I thought

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the right thing to do was to disclose it

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and disclose everything right right

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right

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Terry can you do me a favor and I hate

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to say something like this on the radio

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but hold your microphones still yes okay

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yeah just hold it still it's moving

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around in in your experience in law the

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00:42:59,370 --> 00:42:55,480
evidence that you have now not only

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through memories and your testimony but

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00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:01,300
you have some physical evidence too is

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that good enough in court to use as

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evidence to prove your case I think I

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could I I think if you gave me 12 men

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and women on a jury right then I could

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00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:18,370
that I could present the evidence I

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00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,680
could present the x-rays I could present

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00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:22,960
the photograph of my niece showing

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00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:28,450
there's no scar yeah I think I could do

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that I'm confident I could do that and I

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00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,920
think I did yeah there's no question

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00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:34,720
about it the evidence is overwhelming

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00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:39,040
and and the the book is a great read by

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the way it's it's really well written

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and I it's highly recommended and we've

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got all the links up over to maturity Oh

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calm where to go and get the book so

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00:43:55,230 --> 00:43:51,730
that being said I find that very

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00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,240
interesting because I know that as a

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00:44:00,540 --> 00:43:57,760
lawyer you were a defense attorney too

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00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:00,550
as well but you know attorney general

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00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:03,010
now you're in the process it's ID right

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00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:06,760
you're prosecuting yeah and so you are

783
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:08,770
presented with cases all the time but

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either have evidence that is strong

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enough or not and you are telling people

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all the time and we don't have anything

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here

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when you know that something has

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happened and you know but there's not

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enough there or you're handed stuff that

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has got all the evidence in the world

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and you know that you're gonna get your

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conviction and you know or not you know

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00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:33,050
if you're a defense attorney but you are

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presented this stuff all the time

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and you feel that in your case you've

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got all you've got everything that you

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would need perfect apps yeah that's a

799
00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:44,060
great observation I'll tell you I 2012

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they discovered this thing and and for

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00:44:51,310 --> 00:44:48,500
two years I was I was really in denial

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00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:51,320
about it I just could not come to grips

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00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,270
with it and what the tipping point was

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00:45:00,930 --> 00:44:58,640
and people asked what you know how can

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00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:00,940
you remember all this in such detail and

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00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:04,910
the reason is is that when I returned

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from our camping trip you know we were

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we were injured and we were under

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investigation by the OSI and I thought

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it would be prudent to document

811
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:18,440
everything everything that happened and

812
00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:21,410
I did because I thought you know if I'm

813
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:22,940
gonna I'm going to be court-martialed

814
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:26,470
for something I want to have a record

815
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,110
and then afterward when the nightmares

816
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:33,200
began my wife suggested to me why don't

817
00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:35,630
you keep a journal of these nightmares

818
00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:38,600
and I started doing that and I did that

819
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:41,780
diligently and it was a replay of all

820
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:45,680
these horrific memories just played over

821
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:49,220
and over again but I jotted all that

822
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:52,010
down those notebooks my wife kept and in

823
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:54,710
2016 we thought they were lost in 2016

824
00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:56,420
she flew to Michigan to her storage

825
00:46:02,620 --> 00:45:59,480
locker we have there and she found my

826
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:02,630
notebooks were there and some drawings

827
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:06,110
that I had made were still there and

828
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:09,530
back and that's that's what that's what

829
00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:11,540
gave me the evidence that's what gave me

830
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:15,470
what I needed that was okay

831
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:17,930
my father graduated from Western

832
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:20,900
Michigan by the way did he yeah we lived

833
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:23,090
on the campus there yeah he graduated

834
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:28,610
and uh I guess it would have been 71 71

835
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,090
where did you go

836
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:33,240
yeah but I went late in life I went in

837
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,680
1990 oh you went 1990 right at the top

838
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:39,960
of the hill okay so where the fountains

839
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:41,910
are right then you know where the clock

840
00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:44,700
is right the fountains there's a road

841
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:48,750
there that goes up the hill and at the

842
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:52,590
top of the hill is redwood drive and we

843
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,410
lived on that corner and I so from our

844
00:47:01,880 --> 00:46:57,780
front yard I could look down the hill

845
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:01,890
into the mirror pool Wow yeah I can see

846
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:03,600
that my mind's eye yeah I know right

847
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,270
were you yep yep yep yeah yep lived

848
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:07,920
right there beautiful campus by the way

849
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:11,910
beautiful beautiful so okay so you

850
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:15,240
wanted to go to 1979 first and so let's

851
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:20,280
do that why go to 1979 because when I

852
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:24,530
left the Air Force I took up running

853
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:30,990
they called it jogging and they did yes

854
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:33,210
you know you know if you think about it

855
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:34,830
if you look at old pictures and movies

856
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:37,770
you don't see anybody who's running

857
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:40,680
who's not on an an athletic field or

858
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,150
running away from something

859
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:44,220
I mean people running out in the street

860
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,890
was kind of a new concept so I started

861
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:52,380
running and I noticed when I hit the 2

862
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,690
mile mark and my run give or take a

863
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,240
hundred yards with 50 yards every time

864
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:00,000
there was a spot on my knee and my right

865
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,080
thigh that would go totally numb Wow and

866
00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:07,680
I could take a pin when I finished my

867
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,100
run and to find the outline it was

868
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:13,650
circular about the size of a half dollar

869
00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:17,430
and every single time that I did my run

870
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,100
and hit that 2 mile mark that numb spot

871
00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:23,040
I called it would come would come back

872
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,620
and I asked a doctor about it 1980 he's

873
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,540
thinking it doesn't bother you don't

874
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:29,880
worry about it right so I didn't they

875
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:32,250
didn't for 40 years but when they took

876
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:34,770
that x-ray and it didn't hit me until

877
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:37,170
I'm on the way home and it's like that's

878
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:41,820
right underneath the numb spot and I

879
00:48:47,790 --> 00:48:43,720
made that connection

880
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:47,800
well that has to have been in my leg at

881
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:51,810
least as far back as 1979 right right

882
00:49:00,359 --> 00:48:58,090
you sent us a couple of images of what

883
00:49:04,890 --> 00:49:00,369
you sent us a bunch of the x-rays Rita

884
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:04,900
is gonna post these and I want the

885
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,090
audience to look at these as we're

886
00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:10,720
discuss we're discussing this when the

887
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:14,590
doctor looked at the x-ray just like you

888
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:16,210
being a lawyer when you're looking down

889
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:18,210
at evidence and you have that aha moment

890
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:21,160
you may not necessarily discuss it with

891
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:23,650
your client but your mind gets going

892
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:25,660
you're putting the puzzle pieces

893
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:29,080
together what was your doctor's reaction

894
00:49:34,859 --> 00:49:30,970
when you know he's used to looking at

895
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:34,869
x-rays and looking at stuff and what was

896
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,050
his reaction to the reaction to the

897
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:40,420
implants was from the radiologist and

898
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:45,520
the I was in the x-ray room and the tech

899
00:49:50,550 --> 00:49:48,520
took a set of x-rays came out and asked

900
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:50,560
mr. Lobley should you have a shrapnel

901
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:51,849
wound or something

902
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:54,550
I get my tear at the VA right in a car

903
00:49:58,020 --> 00:49:56,470
accident or something that maybe could

904
00:50:02,370 --> 00:49:58,030
account for a piece of metal being in

905
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:02,380
your leg and I'm like no never and she

906
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:04,089
was puzzled and she took a couple more

907
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:06,550
films in a couple more and in total she

908
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:11,800
took eight shots of my knee and she said

909
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,270
I'm gonna have the radiologist come down

910
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:16,000
and look at these and and he didn't guy

911
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:18,910
came down and he popped popped one up on

912
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:21,580
the view box the first shot the head-on

913
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:25,359
shot popped it up on the view box and

914
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,190
then he went over to me and poked me in

915
00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:29,400
the thigh and says it'll be right here

916
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:32,680
and I said what'll be right here he says

917
00:50:36,089 --> 00:50:34,630
your scar there's a scar gonna be right

918
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,099
here because that's where this thing

919
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:39,040
entered your leg and said doctor I don't

920
00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:43,510
have a scar ASIS I you know insisted on

921
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:45,400
examining my knee so I took my pants off

922
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:47,650
again he looked at my knee he looks kind

923
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:50,050
of confused he's yeah an intern there

924
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:51,940
and he says you know get a black light

925
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:55,089
and she came back with a handheld black

926
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,460
light and

927
00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:00,160
killed the overheads and searched every

928
00:51:06,839 --> 00:51:02,260
inch of my knee every square inch of my

929
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,849
knee for a scar and there was not there

930
00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:10,000
is not and I asked him I said doctor how

931
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:13,480
often is it that you find a hard object

932
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:16,150
embedded in someone's knee and no

933
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:19,510
corresponding scar and his answer was

934
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:22,990
never never happened before never seen

935
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:23,470
it before

936
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:27,490
your cat is funny I'm sorry oh I love it

937
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:31,060
oh no no it's totally cool as I'm

938
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:36,190
looking at these the object was you

939
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:37,960
described it about the size of a

940
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:39,849
fingernail

941
00:51:48,210 --> 00:51:44,080
give me some dimensions yes about the

942
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:48,220
size of a fingernail then I think maybe

943
00:51:56,579 --> 00:51:52,750
paper-thin the two wires I I would love

944
00:52:00,660 --> 00:51:56,589
to know how far up they go but I don't

945
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:00,670
have a clue and it hit me afterward that

946
00:52:06,329 --> 00:52:03,430
you know where the VA is an entity of

947
00:52:08,579 --> 00:52:06,339
the United States government sure but I

948
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:08,589
can't complain about the quality of care

949
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:10,900
I received from them receive good care

950
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:14,080
from them but I was only able to secure

951
00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:17,290
two out of the eight x rays and I know

952
00:52:22,589 --> 00:52:20,200
that they took in a film of my leg

953
00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:22,599
higher up that's the film I would've

954
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:24,040
loved to have seen because that's the

955
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:26,170
film that I think would have shown where

956
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:33,040
those wires led to now when it comes to

957
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:37,750
implants and you know we all know Derrel

958
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:39,490
Sims and Derrel Sims is a friend of

959
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:42,250
yours and he's you know he's got a

960
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:44,410
collection of them and and others out

961
00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:48,880
there I've always wanted that compelling

962
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:52,270
thing it like wires you know something

963
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:55,510
that was and yours had those how long

964
00:53:02,130 --> 00:52:59,050
were the two wires well you know they

965
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:02,140
are as long as as the x-ray allows

966
00:53:06,329 --> 00:53:04,030
that's what I'm saying we don't we don't

967
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:06,339
know because they end at the top of that

968
00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:10,960
film so there was a film that show

969
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:13,780
my knee from above that point and and I

970
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:16,450
don't have it and I would love to have

971
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,890
that because that's the film that would

972
00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:20,160
show how far up those those wires went

973
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:23,020
absolutely incredible absolutely

974
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:28,210
incredible and now you had the implant

975
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:39,690
removed well kind of continued in 2017

976
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:42,790
and this is this is this is a little

977
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:47,700
tough to wrap your head around I woke up

978
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,000
and sitting in my living room

979
00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:54,780
sitting bolt upright in my chair and

980
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:58,660
seated across from me is what I first

981
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:01,480
took to be an Asian woman about four

982
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:06,190
feet tall seated on my sofa in a

983
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:10,960
non-threatening posture and I looked at

984
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:14,080
her and I refer to her in the book as

985
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:18,270
Betty and what's interesting is mr. Sims

986
00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:22,060
Betty has been spotted in Houston for

987
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:26,620
the past 40 years the same entity I drew

988
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:28,900
a picture of her and it's spot-on to

989
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:31,770
what he has pictures from other people

990
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:34,630
and this scent that he sat in my bedroom

991
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:41,260
I in my living room and I was scared to

992
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:43,390
death and they communicate

993
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:48,960
telepathically so my first thought was

994
00:54:58,620 --> 00:54:53,380
my god that wig looks ridiculous that's

995
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:58,630
you can't control your thoughts and she

996
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:01,270
fired back into my head immediately I

997
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:02,650
heard crystal clear

998
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:04,690
it's the lat it's the same as the last

999
00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:09,820
time and I asked Erin I thought the last

1000
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:18,040
time went and she said in 1987 and I had

1001
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:19,930
some missing time during a motorcycle

1002
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:30,200
I I was scared to death because I I

1003
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:31,800
thought you know are these am I gonna be

1004
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:34,500
abducted again am I you know I'd have to

1005
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,619
go through that torture again and she

1006
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:39,720
immediately fired back and said no you

1007
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,900
know you're not gonna be taken tonight

1008
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,760
and I I thought you know I wish I could

1009
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:46,559
get a better look at her face and as

1010
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,150
soon as I thought that she took her

1011
00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:50,640
glasses they had oversized glasses on

1012
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:53,339
and I could see her face and her face

1013
00:56:04,190 --> 00:55:58,170
was familiar and I knew this woman this

1014
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:04,200
entity I knew her and I believed that

1015
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:07,859
this is the same creature entity hybrid

1016
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:11,130
whatever you want to call her that I met

1017
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,619
as a child and again in 1987 now I don't

1018
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:19,920
recall her being a part of the 1977

1019
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:23,460
abduction right and I had no memory of

1020
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:26,430
the 1987 event other than what she told

1021
00:56:32,299 --> 00:56:26,910
me

1022
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:32,309
but you knew her I did yeah yeah instant

1023
00:56:39,309 --> 00:56:35,970
recognition I find it very interesting

1024
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:39,319
and compelling that you are saying her

1025
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:45,839
so it when you say hybrid but was there

1026
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:49,500
enough there that could she passes human

1027
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,180
could she walk down the street yes yes

1028
00:57:00,980 --> 00:56:57,420
yeah very oversized glasses she would

1029
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:00,990
appear to be a middle-aged Asian woman

1030
00:57:06,349 --> 00:57:04,410
Brian yeah I think she could walk down

1031
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:06,359
the streets of Dallas stand in that

1032
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:08,819
drawer crowd yeah now we're gonna be

1033
00:57:14,059 --> 00:57:11,910
headed towards a break and I when we

1034
00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:14,069
come back we're gonna go back to 1977

1035
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:15,630
we're gonna talk about Devil's Den and

1036
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:17,090
we're gonna go through all of those

1037
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:19,640
[Music]

1038
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:21,630
situations that you went through we're

1039
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,980
gonna do that in just a second but I

1040
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:25,040
want to stay with her before the break

1041
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:29,430
were you were you scared or were you

1042
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:33,089
comfortable you know I was terrified at

1043
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,960
first and then I felt this calm

1044
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:40,480
Shover me right and I had experienced

1045
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:42,790
that before I had experienced that back

1046
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,510
in 1977 whenever we first saw this thing

1047
00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:48,880
in the sky and I'll get to that but I

1048
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:51,070
had this feeling of calm washed over me

1049
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:53,800
and my wife is asleep in a bedroom just

1050
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:57,040
down the hall and I think I could yell

1051
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,530
for her and I thought you know no they

1052
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:01,599
got that they got that handled too right

1053
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:02,970
they do

1054
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:06,220
so where did that were they was she

1055
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:10,930
there for the implant she was there to

1056
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:14,650
ask me not to write the book and to talk

1057
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:19,180
publicly and I said what in the world

1058
00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:21,910
Who am I what makes my story any

1059
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:23,800
different from anybody else there are

1060
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:27,010
hundred books out there of people that

1061
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:28,570
have experienced the same thing that

1062
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:40,890
her hosts she refers to aliens as her

1063
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:43,900
hosts no I don't know why but that's the

1064
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:44,890
word she used

1065
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:48,369
it's an ADD word I mean it could be you

1066
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:50,320
know like a host welcoming a dinner

1067
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:53,710
party it could be a a parasitic

1068
00:59:00,690 --> 00:58:56,950
relationship but she referred to the

1069
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,700
aliens as her host and she said if you

1070
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:03,040
write this book and continue to speak

1071
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:04,630
they're going to come back and retrieve

1072
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:07,750
these things from your legs and I said

1073
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,930
legs I had no idea I had one in my left

1074
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:11,520
leg

1075
00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:16,000
and I thought when you communicate

1076
00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:19,030
telepathically you cannot cannot control

1077
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:19,780
your thought

1078
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:23,920
no because and before I can finish a

1079
00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:29,050
thought she would answer it's amazing do

1080
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,300
you say amazing I say creepy I mean

1081
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:36,880
because you're naked right that's it you

1082
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,440
can't control your thoughts and

1083
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:40,480
whatever's gonna go through your mind

1084
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:43,780
everybody knows and you know I asked her

1085
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:46,030
that I addressed that issue of privacy I

1086
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:47,950
said I'm not used to having my thoughts

1087
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:50,490
open right and she said

1088
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:52,290
just try it here you can keep them

1089
01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:54,990
private if you try now I think she said

1090
01:00:04,220 --> 01:00:01,160
that just to placate me yeah if if if

1091
01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:04,230
everybody had telepathy could you

1092
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:06,390
imagine going into a restaurant how

1093
01:00:12,859 --> 01:00:10,200
noisy that would be right in order to

1094
01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:12,869
mean or a rock concert you know the

1095
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:17,180
shopping mall some crowded area or work

1096
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:21,240
you know yeah I I don't know so there

1097
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:24,050
must be a way to block it out I guess

1098
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:27,720
but you know you you would ask I was

1099
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:29,670
gonna say about the implants I had to

1100
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,040
thought about the implants I said you

1101
01:00:36,830 --> 01:00:34,920
know these things in my leg my god yeah

1102
01:00:38,770 --> 01:00:36,840
I thought crossed my mind how many

1103
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:38,780
people have you put these things in and

1104
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:41,790
and her answer just blew me away she

1105
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:44,250
said many thousands over three

1106
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:48,240
generations many thousands over at least

1107
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:50,760
well that's a big number but she could

1108
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,710
have said everybody she could have said

1109
01:01:00,800 --> 01:00:57,720
everybody let's take a break right here

1110
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:00,810
Terry and when we come back we're gonna

1111
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:03,810
go back to 1977 we're gonna start there

1112
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:07,830
why Devil's Den and Devil's Den there's

1113
01:01:11,810 --> 01:01:09,810
been a lot of things going on up there

1114
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:11,820
over the years too as well well we'll

1115
01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:13,859
address all of that our guest tonight

1116
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:16,700
Terry Lovelace we're discussing his book

1117
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:19,470
incident at Devil's Den compelling proof

1118
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:22,050
of alien existence this is fade to black

1119
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:24,150
I'm yours Jimmy Church on the game

1120
01:01:30,860 --> 01:01:27,900
changer network and kg RA the planet

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[Music]

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this is fade to black

1123
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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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radio network and kgr a the global radio

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crawlspace have a damp musty smell well

1129
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watch out that's a sign of too much

1130
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moisture and not enough ventilation and

1131
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that can mean increased mold growth and

1132
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the build-up of harmful toxins and gases

1133
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don't bother with a dehumidifier it just

1134
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,400
circulates the same unhealthy air now

1135
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there's a better way to remove these

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dangers and odors it's with the

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pollutants we replaced our old

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dehumidifier with the wave unit and in

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only three weeks our basement is dry and

1142
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the musty smell is gone wave units

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planet and you're listening to my good

1153
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friend Jimmy Church fade to black

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on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

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intended to diagnose treat cure or

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:41,790
prevent any disease please consult your

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1181
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:48,150
this is Micah Hanks of the graylien

1182
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,770
report and you're listening to Jimmy

1183
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:51,240
church on fade to black

1184
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:52,710
across the globe on the GameChanger

1185
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:55,680
radio network and the one and only kgr a

1186
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1188
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:01,740
[Applause]

1189
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:17,330
[Music]

1190
01:05:21,350 --> 01:05:19,470
welcome back fade to black I'm here

1191
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:21,360
signature I guess tonight

1192
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:25,170
Terry Lovelace talking about his book it

1193
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:27,540
is called incident at Devil's Den

1194
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:29,610
compelling proof of alien existence

1195
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:31,320
alleged the United States Air Force

1196
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:33,930
involvement and then alien implant

1197
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:37,710
discovered accidentally on x-ray Terry

1198
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:40,430
is an attorney and former attorney

1199
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:44,850
general assistant attorney general how

1200
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:46,890
long were you at the assistant attorney

1201
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:48,810
general for the state of Vermont

1202
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:54,330
Terry five years five years but that's

1203
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:56,370
that's a pretty intense gig you know

1204
01:06:02,210 --> 01:05:58,500
I don't know how much action goes down

1205
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:02,220
in Vermont but nonetheless yeah you know

1206
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:04,890
it it was and you know I had an

1207
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,170
opportunity to retire early and I had

1208
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:09,780
some heart problems and I thought you

1209
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:12,120
know I'm gonna do this I'm gonna retire

1210
01:06:19,070 --> 01:06:16,110
and it was the right decision i watch

1211
01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:19,080
the TV show billions right it's it's

1212
01:06:24,290 --> 01:06:21,030
pretty cool and they had the season

1213
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:24,300
finale last night but it's all about the

1214
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:26,790
AG the assistant AG the Southern

1215
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,700
District Manhattan right I gotta tell

1216
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:32,640
you that's that's about as an intense of

1217
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:36,000
a gig as anyone could encounter in it

1218
01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:38,790
you know at the federal level like that

1219
01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:41,790
lots of pressure and for you

1220
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:46,590
if-if-if another assistant AG came in

1221
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:52,160
and said to you a story similar to yours

1222
01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:55,680
what would you think I mean this person

1223
01:07:01,490 --> 01:06:59,160
is crazy or did you have an open mind

1224
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:01,500
and and you would sit down and listen to

1225
01:07:06,830 --> 01:07:03,390
somebody with an experience like this I

1226
01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:06,840
wouldn't believe a word out of my office

1227
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:11,580
right right right happened to me I mean

1228
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:13,230
I can understand why people were

1229
01:07:18,290 --> 01:07:15,330
skeptical I would be skeptical if it

1230
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:18,300
hadn't happened to me right but it did

1231
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:21,630
now why Devil's Den let's go back to

1232
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:26,880
1977 how old were you in 77 I was 22

1233
01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:30,570
years old in the Air Force yes you're in

1234
01:07:37,610 --> 01:07:33,870
the air force and why did you guys pick

1235
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:37,620
Devil's Den at the time I was working

1236
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:41,070
with I was working in the emergency room

1237
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:42,690
with a good friend of mine we worked the

1238
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:45,330
night shift Oh three and a half years or

1239
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:49,470
so driving an ambulance together and we

1240
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,590
were a team and over the time we worked

1241
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:54,480
together we became friends and

1242
01:08:00,110 --> 01:07:56,970
socialized I refer to him as Tobias in

1243
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,120
the book right and we became you know

1244
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:02,640
good good friends we socialized barbecue

1245
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:05,070
you know play cards his wife knew my

1246
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:09,330
wife etc and one day he came to me in

1247
01:08:16,090 --> 01:08:12,390
the spring of 77 and said hey man I got

1248
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:16,100
an idea let's go camping I said what you

1249
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,870
nuts Toby we're City boys I mean you

1250
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:20,640
know I grew up in st. Louis you grew up

1251
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:22,650
in Flint what do we know about camping

1252
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:26,370
right and he knew that I was an amateur

1253
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:29,640
photographer edible black and white

1254
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:33,150
darkroom set up in my home and I love to

1255
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:36,330
take photographs of eagles and wildlife

1256
01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:40,560
and you know within 30 minutes within an

1257
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:42,300
hour of Whiteman Air Force Base there

1258
01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:45,450
are a half a dozen beautiful parks but

1259
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:47,820
Toby was insistent he said man this is

1260
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:51,000
the place we have to go and I'm like you

1261
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:52,620
know told me it's a long way to go why

1262
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:54,870
why why go down there and he says just

1263
01:09:02,780 --> 01:08:59,370
just think about it and I did

1264
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:02,790
and the thought of it I was dismissive

1265
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:05,250
of it at first and in 48 hours something

1266
01:09:13,390 --> 01:09:08,010
well maybe it might be fun and in it's

1267
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:13,400
72 hours I'm like yeah I want to go well

1268
01:09:23,329 --> 01:09:19,859
it was a compulsion we felt compelled to

1269
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:23,339
go it reminds me of Dreyfuss in Close

1270
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:27,690
Encounters right yeah yeah so you guys

1271
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:30,810
get camping gear and you head to Devil's

1272
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:34,730
Den we get camping gear we drive south

1273
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:40,310
across the border and there's a

1274
01:09:45,519 --> 01:09:43,980
campground and Toby's like you know

1275
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:45,529
we don't want to stay at a campground

1276
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:49,140
now we're supposed to do it's the nine

1277
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:49,920
and Isis

1278
01:09:53,599 --> 01:09:52,230
let's have a wilderness adventure where

1279
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:53,609
we are we've never been camping in our

1280
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,080
life and he's talking about wilderness

1281
01:09:59,780 --> 01:09:57,540
adventure I'm all for it

1282
01:10:02,479 --> 01:09:59,790
he's like let's find a nice place with

1283
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:02,489
some high ground with nobody around us

1284
01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:04,830
you can photograph Eagles he was an

1285
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:06,870
amateur astronomer he was told he was

1286
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:09,510
just fixated he lived to watch the night

1287
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:14,489
sky and he said you know I can star

1288
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:17,840
watch you can take some photographs and

1289
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,400
you know who knows maybe we'll enjoy it

1290
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:22,320
we'll bring our wives for the next trip

1291
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:25,170
and Toby just sold me on the idea and

1292
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,830
see it became an obsession to grow so we

1293
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:34,560
we got there we drove down and got there

1294
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:38,010
and we skirted the park rangers we

1295
01:10:44,150 --> 01:10:39,900
stopped by the visitors center so Toby

1296
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,160
could snag a little map of the park but

1297
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:45,840
you know he almost didn't need it it was

1298
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:48,330
like he knew where to go I mean in

1299
01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:51,000
retrospect looking back at it after he a

1300
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:54,660
year or two it was an odd series of

1301
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:57,210
events but he he knew where to go I

1302
01:11:02,570 --> 01:11:01,140
swear to God and we we went to a part we

1303
01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:02,580
went to a part of the park with a road

1304
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:06,180
degraded from pavement to gravel to just

1305
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:08,970
ruts and into a chain across the road

1306
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:12,930
and Toby hopped out the chain had just

1307
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,570
left on a link are draped around the

1308
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,880
post so he just lifted it up dropped it

1309
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:20,640
and we drove on through and boy we felt

1310
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:21,780
terrific

1311
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:26,370
and we felt on top of the world and Toby

1312
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:28,530
made a note you get to a bank envelope

1313
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:32,400
and a pencil and kept a map of where we

1314
01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:33,090
were going

1315
01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:35,580
which we didn't know I'm like not

1316
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:37,470
valuable that would be in just a little

1317
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:40,710
while but he was always the Navigator

1318
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:42,540
when we drove an ambulance I I had no

1319
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:44,310
sense of direction his sense of

1320
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:48,570
direction was unerring and he he led us

1321
01:11:54,170 --> 01:11:51,780
up to we were going in our steep grade

1322
01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:54,180
upward and we crested the top of this

1323
01:12:00,459 --> 01:11:56,989
hill and here is this I call it a meadow

1324
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:00,469
and there were late blooming wildflowers

1325
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:04,070
and grass and it was just beautiful and

1326
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:08,329
it was an ideal place to probably

1327
01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:10,760
photograph Eagles and scenery it was

1328
01:12:14,529 --> 01:12:11,420
gorgeous

1329
01:12:16,689 --> 01:12:14,539
I felt OB I said this is great you know

1330
01:12:19,029 --> 01:12:16,699
what's I wanted to set up camp right in

1331
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:19,039
the middle of the meadow and he's like

1332
01:12:23,410 --> 01:12:21,260
no no no we can't do that don't do set

1333
01:12:26,649 --> 01:12:23,420
up over here by the edge of the tree

1334
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:26,659
line and we argued about it he was

1335
01:12:33,879 --> 01:12:30,860
insistent and that would be the reason

1336
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:33,889
for that would come out so so later so

1337
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:36,110
we instead of staying in the matter we

1338
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:39,710
stayed back along the tree line and we

1339
01:12:47,049 --> 01:12:43,610
went Toby wanted to set up camp right

1340
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:47,059
away and I said no no no I want to take

1341
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,010
a hike I want to stretch my legs a

1342
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:51,679
little bit so we took a hike and we

1343
01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:53,150
walked and we looked around a little bit

1344
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,469
and there was a limestone Bluff there

1345
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:59,360
that we got to we did about three or

1346
01:13:06,489 --> 01:13:02,480
four mile hike laid down in this Bluff

1347
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:06,499
and both of us fell asleep which was

1348
01:13:12,669 --> 01:13:10,280
kind of crazy because I was tired from

1349
01:13:13,839 --> 01:13:12,679
the drive but I wasn't sleepy I

1350
01:13:16,899 --> 01:13:13,849
shouldn't have been drowsy

1351
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:16,909
mm-hmm but we slept for a couple hours

1352
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:19,070
and woke up and realized hey we better

1353
01:13:23,609 --> 01:13:20,840
get back and set up camp before it gets

1354
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:23,619
dark out here or we're lost in the woods

1355
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:26,210
so we hustle when we get back we set up

1356
01:13:33,459 --> 01:13:31,010
a camp and you know we could get little

1357
01:13:35,979 --> 01:13:33,469
three-man tent put up I had a fire put

1358
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:35,989
together and we're laying around in

1359
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:39,170
these air mattresses and I'm thinking

1360
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:40,820
remember I say in the Toby you know this

1361
01:13:46,419 --> 01:13:44,510
must be the lure of camping you know we

1362
01:13:51,970 --> 01:13:46,429
roasted some hot dogs and it was nice

1363
01:13:54,129 --> 01:13:51,980
and I noticed that the forest in back of

1364
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,139
us had been loud there had been like

1365
01:14:00,239 --> 01:13:57,679
tree frogs and crickets and all the

1366
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:00,249
night noises you hear in forest life

1367
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,920
yeah and that almost all stopped and and

1368
01:14:10,339 --> 01:14:08,960
then only stopped it was called there

1369
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:10,349
was no breeze even

1370
01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:13,560
it's a Toby you know the crickets you

1371
01:14:17,959 --> 01:14:15,659
know word with the crickets in the tree

1372
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:17,969
frogs going you know what what and he's

1373
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,530
like nah don't worry about it it's just

1374
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:21,540
look we're laughing he cut now he says

1375
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:22,800
just give him a while they'll be back

1376
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:26,719
he'll come back but it left me uneasy

1377
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:31,440
and they change the subject and we're

1378
01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:34,650
just we're just chatting and Toby jerks

1379
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:37,500
his head to the left and he's staring at

1380
01:14:43,819 --> 01:14:40,380
something and he asked me says hey were

1381
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:43,829
those there before and like what were

1382
01:14:49,339 --> 01:14:46,020
you talking about it and he points to

1383
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:49,349
the western sky alone horizon and there

1384
01:14:57,500 --> 01:14:53,489
are three stars in the perfect little

1385
01:14:59,450 --> 01:14:57,510
triangle and you're just about there all

1386
01:15:02,870 --> 01:14:59,460
the same brightness they are just about

1387
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:02,880
as bright as the North Star but they're

1388
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:05,219
sitting low in the horizon where it

1389
01:15:09,979 --> 01:15:07,650
could have been and we were debating

1390
01:15:12,010 --> 01:15:09,989
where these these couldn't be aircraft

1391
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:12,020
lights we knew a little body aircraft

1392
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:15,270
nothing in that configuration and while

1393
01:15:22,459 --> 01:15:18,750
we're debating this it moves and it

1394
01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:22,469
turns like it's on an axis and that's

1395
01:15:30,879 --> 01:15:25,139
about a three quarter turn and we are

1396
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:30,889
like whoa we're all struck so it spins

1397
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:34,770
from the center all three just just

1398
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:39,540
rotate rotate in unison wow-whee and

1399
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:43,440
then it started to climb and we were I

1400
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,050
said Toby if this is three independent

1401
01:15:53,149 --> 01:15:48,560
lights somebody is choreographed just

1402
01:15:55,780 --> 01:15:53,159
beautifully every single object and he

1403
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:55,790
agreed with me and we we watched it and

1404
01:16:01,069 --> 01:15:58,739
as it went up in the sky the higher it

1405
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,079
got the bigger it got and the three

1406
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:03,480
points the lights just expanded and it

1407
01:16:10,069 --> 01:16:07,650
just it grew this the stars all remained

1408
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:10,079
equidistant to one another but it got

1409
01:16:16,729 --> 01:16:14,310
bigger and Toby noticed that inside the

1410
01:16:19,490 --> 01:16:16,739
triangle was much darker it was jet

1411
01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:19,500
black yeah you talked about that in the

1412
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:24,180
book that as it appeared to be solid you

1413
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:25,830
thought it was three independent lights

1414
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:28,290
or whatever but now it's passing in

1415
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:30,030
front of stars and it's blocking out the

1416
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:33,330
stars so now you realize that this is a

1417
01:16:42,260 --> 01:16:38,130
solid object exactly exactly and this is

1418
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:42,270
the point where I went from feeling

1419
01:16:52,690 --> 01:16:46,980
uneasy about this the silence to calm

1420
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:52,700
and I felt this calm wash over me and I

1421
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:55,110
maybe I remember I asked Toby I said

1422
01:17:01,250 --> 01:16:58,020
Toby are you afraid he's like no I'm and

1423
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:01,260
I'm not afraid are you afraid no thanks

1424
01:17:06,590 --> 01:17:02,000
good

1425
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:06,600
and I'm like Toby you know you're the

1426
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:10,080
astronomer well what is that thing and

1427
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:13,470
he never answered me and it got bigger

1428
01:17:24,980 --> 01:17:18,000
and bigger and Jimmy it was enormous

1429
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:24,990
I can't I did a drawing to scale tried

1430
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:30,690
to do it to scale this thing yeah it was

1431
01:17:38,060 --> 01:17:34,590
parked about 3,000 feet

1432
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:38,070
I'm guessing overhead and I would guess

1433
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:42,330
that each leg of the triangle was a city

1434
01:17:49,340 --> 01:17:43,670
block in length

1435
01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:49,350
and it was easily five stories tall and

1436
01:17:56,620 --> 01:17:52,830
on each point there was a light panel

1437
01:18:01,190 --> 01:17:56,630
that ran from the bottom to the top and

1438
01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:01,200
there were were lights that's where the

1439
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:03,630
and I remember these lights would run up

1440
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:06,390
and down that light bar and I remember

1441
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:07,800
thinking that's what must give the

1442
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:10,020
illusion of a star twinkling when it's

1443
01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:13,800
up high in the sky but we're sitting

1444
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:15,750
there on his air mattresses it's 3,000

1445
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:18,510
feet over our heads and we are almost to

1446
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:20,820
the point of disinterested we are

1447
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:24,840
absolutely near apathetic and we're

1448
01:18:30,620 --> 01:18:27,540
laying there and and just watching this

1449
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:30,630
thing and Toby has the flashlight in

1450
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:33,600
this hand and he said something like I'm

1451
01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:36,810
gonna signal this thing I was going to

1452
01:18:39,779 --> 01:18:37,389
grab it from

1453
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:39,789
him but I was her quick enough and he

1454
01:18:44,009 --> 01:18:41,590
turned it on a couple times and shined

1455
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:44,019
it right in the middle of this thing and

1456
01:18:51,209 --> 01:18:48,070
as soon as he did from the center of

1457
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:51,219
this triangle came a beam of light and

1458
01:18:55,649 --> 01:18:53,050
it just appeared like it just like

1459
01:18:57,899 --> 01:18:55,659
someone flipped the switch and it was a

1460
01:19:00,299 --> 01:18:57,909
visible beam of light when I say visible

1461
01:19:02,729 --> 01:19:00,309
I mean and I could like buy a high-power

1462
01:19:04,979 --> 01:19:02,739
searchlight cutting through fog right

1463
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:04,989
you can see the beam right right that's

1464
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:07,329
the way this was and it was about the

1465
01:19:13,409 --> 01:19:10,989
diameter of a softball and it it just

1466
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:13,419
flipped on and it landed square in the

1467
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:17,050
middle of our now almost dead campfire

1468
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:21,070
holy crap and you know we should have

1469
01:19:29,639 --> 01:19:25,110
been yeah we should have been hysterical

1470
01:19:33,719 --> 01:19:29,649
and I think I think I said something

1471
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:33,729
like that's pretty cool now you you and

1472
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:37,110
Toby are in the the bleep in Air Force

1473
01:19:45,689 --> 01:19:41,679
you guys know what we have or you're

1474
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:45,699
supposed to what did you guys discuss

1475
01:19:51,149 --> 01:19:48,010
this at that point you know the famous

1476
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:51,159
us or them you know conversation what is

1477
01:19:59,100 --> 01:19:56,289
this no didn't do it and now I'm looking

1478
01:20:01,409 --> 01:19:59,110
at one of your drawings and of this

1479
01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:01,419
craft and we've got it posted and it's a

1480
01:20:08,339 --> 01:20:05,260
great drawing great recall there is I

1481
01:20:12,299 --> 01:20:08,349
have a couple of questions and each one

1482
01:20:17,299 --> 01:20:12,309
of the panels on the sides it looks like

1483
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:17,309
the everything is in a triangle shape

1484
01:20:22,429 --> 01:20:20,289
right it's not a triangle shape what's

1485
01:20:25,979 --> 01:20:22,439
the word I'm trying to like it's a

1486
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:25,989
parallelogram but it's not is that the

1487
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:29,800
way it was represented you know the the

1488
01:20:35,429 --> 01:20:32,050
grid the squares it's smaller on one

1489
01:20:37,859 --> 01:20:35,439
side and bigger on them you know so

1490
01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:37,869
that's the way it was shaped that's

1491
01:20:43,649 --> 01:20:39,880
that's the way it was shaped I tried to

1492
01:20:45,449 --> 01:20:43,659
draw that to scale there the the the

1493
01:20:47,609 --> 01:20:45,459
lights and the craft is smaller on

1494
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:47,619
either in because it is farther away

1495
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:49,260
right

1496
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:51,810
but you understand what I'm saying that

1497
01:21:02,570 --> 01:20:56,010
was the shape of this this area on the

1498
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:02,580
side this I'm I'm at a loss for words

1499
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:05,250
trying to describe this but it's not the

1500
01:21:09,170 --> 01:21:06,510
same

1501
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:09,180
you've got the sides or scar you know or

1502
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:10,739
square you know it's rectangular the

1503
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:13,050
sides of the crowd but the inside area

1504
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:16,290
with the grid is smaller on one side and

1505
01:21:21,190 --> 01:21:17,910
bigger on the other so that it was

1506
01:21:25,340 --> 01:21:21,200
shaped like that yes very interesting

1507
01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:25,350
very very very interesting and what what

1508
01:21:34,450 --> 01:21:28,680
do you think those were I don't have a

1509
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:34,460
clue yeah we didn't really get the look

1510
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,250
this is before the thing came down and

1511
01:21:41,690 --> 01:21:39,840
we could really see it right right

1512
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:41,700
because we're looking at it it's above

1513
01:21:49,340 --> 01:21:44,580
the sky it's up in the sky still right

1514
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:49,350
and the the the light that came down and

1515
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:52,410
hit the camp higher higher right

1516
01:21:58,190 --> 01:21:54,510
lasted maybe a minute or two and then it

1517
01:22:02,140 --> 01:21:58,200
slipped off and immediately in its place

1518
01:22:05,540 --> 01:22:02,150
came this laser beam light thing ultra

1519
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:05,550
purplish bluish laser beams were kind of

1520
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:08,340
a new concept in 1977 I mean I'd seen

1521
01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:11,370
them on television but this thing came

1522
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:14,070
from the center of the crap just like

1523
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:19,310
the the white light came from and it

1524
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:23,010
would flick on and land at a spot and

1525
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:26,489
then flip off for a millisecond and then

1526
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:29,489
flip back on at another place and in

1527
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:32,460
that manner it darted all around a camp

1528
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:35,850
site and I know that it hit me you know

1529
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:38,880
two or three times I know it hit Toby it

1530
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,790
hit our car and in the tent and I guess

1531
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:43,500
that was some kind of scanner yeah

1532
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:46,310
mapping yeah yeah some kind of scanner

1533
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:50,510
and you also described before we move on

1534
01:22:59,630 --> 01:22:54,930
that it the craft was matte black like

1535
01:23:02,180 --> 01:22:59,640
flat black underneath yes yes and it was

1536
01:23:03,149 --> 01:23:02,190
it was night but the light panels on the

1537
01:23:06,029 --> 01:23:03,159
side

1538
01:23:10,259 --> 01:23:06,039
lift the thing up enough that we could

1539
01:23:14,879 --> 01:23:10,269
see that the body of it was matte black

1540
01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:14,889
yeah any windows yes yes the windows and

1541
01:23:19,859 --> 01:23:17,409
some were lit and at the very top I

1542
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:19,869
don't do a good job of illustrating that

1543
01:23:26,339 --> 01:23:24,249
at the very top there were way almost

1544
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:26,349
like an observation deck or something

1545
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:28,030
yeah you've got little dudes there

1546
01:23:32,879 --> 01:23:31,030
looking out you could see them you know

1547
01:23:35,339 --> 01:23:32,889
we couldn't actually see we could see

1548
01:23:40,649 --> 01:23:35,349
shadows right but I couldn't actually

1549
01:23:43,469 --> 01:23:40,659
make out forms now if this thing was the

1550
01:23:45,569 --> 01:23:43,479
size that you think it was you know you

1551
01:23:47,489 --> 01:23:45,579
know city block on a site you know 3,000

1552
01:23:50,939 --> 01:23:47,499
feet or what of it it's ginormous

1553
01:23:53,969 --> 01:23:50,949
five stories tall these light panels on

1554
01:23:58,469 --> 01:23:53,979
each corner these are five story tall

1555
01:24:00,959 --> 01:23:58,479
light panels correct correct it just

1556
01:24:06,179 --> 01:24:00,969
must have been phenomenal to see this

1557
01:24:08,819 --> 01:24:06,189
and and huge well you know I I want to

1558
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:08,829
get to where it comes down yeah and and

1559
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:11,679
also you describe the sound too really

1560
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:14,219
well in the book what were you hearing

1561
01:24:22,529 --> 01:24:19,449
well it should state that after the blue

1562
01:24:25,949 --> 01:24:22,539
light went out Toby said show's over and

1563
01:24:29,129 --> 01:24:25,959
we went to bed we went inside the tent

1564
01:24:30,569 --> 01:24:29,139
went to sleep with this thing 3,000 feet

1565
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:30,579
overhead we went inside and with the

1566
01:24:35,969 --> 01:24:34,090
sleep and I remember I laid down and I

1567
01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:35,979
thought my last thought conscious

1568
01:24:43,529 --> 01:24:37,749
thought was that Toby was wrong -

1569
01:24:47,939 --> 01:24:43,539
crickets never came back I hit my pillow

1570
01:24:53,060 --> 01:24:47,949
and I was I was out and then sometime

1571
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:53,070
about 3:00 a.m. I'm again I'm woke up by

1572
01:25:01,529 --> 01:24:56,070
incredible flashes of brilliant light

1573
01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:01,539
yellow and greenish light and it wakes

1574
01:25:06,959 --> 01:25:04,630
me up and I'm thinking these must be

1575
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:06,969
like overhead lights from a park rangers

1576
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:08,050
truck or something

1577
01:25:13,169 --> 01:25:10,510
and this droning sound this droning

1578
01:25:15,299 --> 01:25:13,179
sound was it's like standing next to a

1579
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:15,309
diesel locomotive or a big piece of

1580
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:16,390
equipment

1581
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:18,490
right it's not so much loud as it is

1582
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:20,760
powerful you can feel it in your chest

1583
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:26,170
and Toby's on his knees and he's peering

1584
01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:28,690
out the tent and I could see in these

1585
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:31,150
flashes of life there's streams of tears

1586
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:36,370
down his face and I'm in a I'm in a fog

1587
01:25:41,970 --> 01:25:38,650
I'm having trouble getting my wits about

1588
01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:41,980
me and I realize I'm in a lot of pain

1589
01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:47,260
and I'm like Toby what and Shh and he

1590
01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:51,640
shushed me and I I could hear rustling

1591
01:25:58,010 --> 01:25:55,780
outside and he whispered something the

1592
01:26:00,840 --> 01:25:58,020
effect uh they're still out there and

1593
01:26:04,830 --> 01:26:00,850
I'm like who is it Toby Park Ranger

1594
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:04,840
who's out there and I I got to my knees

1595
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:07,390
and I nudged him over and I pulled back

1596
01:26:13,770 --> 01:26:10,810
a flap on my side of town and I looked

1597
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:13,780
out and the first thing I saw was what

1598
01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:15,850
looked like about a dozen or maybe

1599
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:19,780
fifteen little kids walking around this

1600
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:25,090
meadow and I asked Toby I said Toby what

1601
01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:26,910
the hell are these little kids doing up

1602
01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:29,830
and he said man those ain't no little

1603
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:33,700
kids and then it hit yeah then I was

1604
01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:37,600
awake then all that fog was gone all the

1605
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:39,940
apathy and disinterest was gone

1606
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:44,170
and I was scared I was terrified out of

1607
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:47,950
my wits it was unbelievable yeah not

1608
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:52,480
cool not cool at all where is where is

1609
01:27:01,290 --> 01:26:56,110
Toby today Toby is dead Toby is dead

1610
01:27:07,860 --> 01:27:01,300
when did he pass it's in 2014 I went and

1611
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:07,870
and tried to find Toby and I found that

1612
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:10,810
he was divorced left the Air Force due

1613
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:18,790
to alcoholism and had died in 2000 no

1614
01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:26,500
support 1982 Dean age 82 and we're gonna

1615
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:28,900
continue with this but staying on Toby

1616
01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:30,310
for a second

1617
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:35,340
did you guys continue to work together

1618
01:27:44,370 --> 01:27:39,580
at the at white men and did you guys

1619
01:27:47,820 --> 01:27:44,380
talk about this afterwards you know we

1620
01:27:51,870 --> 01:27:47,830
never worked together and something

1621
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:51,880
changed between us right when when when

1622
01:27:58,860 --> 01:27:55,570
this thing with everything that happened

1623
01:28:01,710 --> 01:27:58,870
was done and these little figures all

1624
01:28:04,140 --> 01:28:01,720
disappeared and droning stopped and the

1625
01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:04,150
lights changed all to white and we

1626
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:05,860
watched this thing lift off like a

1627
01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:10,450
hot-air balloon what we could think of

1628
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:13,870
was to get out of there and we I know it

1629
01:28:15,870 --> 01:28:15,250
sounds funny but I didn't really leave

1630
01:28:20,010 --> 01:28:15,880
the tent

1631
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:20,020
to be in the open just in the few yards

1632
01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:22,090
to the car I can't blame you I would

1633
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:23,140
have done the same thing

1634
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,810
what were the kids the greys that you

1635
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:27,520
know the ut's what were they doing out

1636
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:29,800
there were they collecting stuff what

1637
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:31,870
were they doing they were milling around

1638
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:35,920
in pairs of twos and threes and yeah

1639
01:28:42,180 --> 01:28:38,020
occasionally one would bend down and

1640
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:42,190
like pick up something and then as I see

1641
01:28:46,980 --> 01:28:44,020
in the book there was that 30-foot

1642
01:28:49,020 --> 01:28:46,990
column of white light from the middle of

1643
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:49,030
the craft and like now it's just 30 feet

1644
01:28:53,730 --> 01:28:50,770
over the floor of the metal now I know

1645
01:28:56,910 --> 01:28:53,740
why Toby was so intrigued back by the

1646
01:28:59,120 --> 01:28:56,920
tree line right and these little guys

1647
01:29:07,620 --> 01:28:59,130
walked into that light and then just

1648
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:07,630
dissolved the the idea to that Toby had

1649
01:29:14,460 --> 01:29:10,570
to move the camp side over to the edge

1650
01:29:16,980 --> 01:29:14,470
the idea to go to Devil's Den the idea

1651
01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:16,990
not to be at a campground all of these

1652
01:29:27,770 --> 01:29:20,980
were Toby's where did where did they

1653
01:29:32,060 --> 01:29:27,780
come from you know I think I think that

1654
01:29:35,730 --> 01:29:32,070
Toby and I were both programmed somehow

1655
01:29:40,860 --> 01:29:35,740
you know I I had experiences as a child

1656
01:29:44,140 --> 01:29:40,870
and you know that not like this I mean I

1657
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:44,150
had I saw a UFO when I was a kid

1658
01:29:55,330 --> 01:29:46,190
flying saucer not a great big deal

1659
01:29:58,169 --> 01:29:55,340
nothing intimate like this but where I

1660
01:30:00,880 --> 01:29:58,179
was we were talking about the ideas

1661
01:30:02,770 --> 01:30:00,890
coming to Toby for all of these

1662
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:02,780
different situations I mean everything

1663
01:30:08,649 --> 01:30:06,070
was it seems deliberate you know

1664
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:08,659
absolutely delivered it was calculated

1665
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:09,520
right huh

1666
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:13,550
and I I said that in the book that on

1667
01:30:17,709 --> 01:30:15,679
the way back I thought you know damn it

1668
01:30:19,689 --> 01:30:17,719
we were set up you know we were there

1669
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:19,699
for an appointment and we were right on

1670
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:21,370
time

1671
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:26,449
and I I I knew that they took us we we

1672
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:31,250
were so we were pretty bad but I'm on

1673
01:30:37,959 --> 01:30:35,570
the car long drive back we're just we're

1674
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:37,969
hurting we're thirsty just absolutely

1675
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:41,600
incredibly thirsty and I look over at

1676
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:44,330
Toby and he's kind of crewed up it's a

1677
01:30:48,899 --> 01:30:47,210
big bench seat in my old Impala and he's

1678
01:30:53,229 --> 01:30:48,909
kind of curled up into a fetal position

1679
01:30:56,890 --> 01:30:53,239
and I thought I wonder if he's really

1680
01:31:01,149 --> 01:30:56,900
sleeping and I suddenly had the

1681
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:01,159
strangest dislike for the guy and I

1682
01:31:06,729 --> 01:31:02,960
shook my head and I'm like whoa where

1683
01:31:09,580 --> 01:31:06,739
did that where does this come from and I

1684
01:31:11,890 --> 01:31:09,590
did I had an absolute dislike for the

1685
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:11,900
guy and I didn't want anything to do

1686
01:31:19,300 --> 01:31:16,640
with him I didn't blame him for for what

1687
01:31:22,540 --> 01:31:19,310
had happened but I just felt this

1688
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:22,550
dislike for him there kind of dislike

1689
01:31:27,370 --> 01:31:24,110
like if you know sometimes you meet

1690
01:31:29,380 --> 01:31:27,380
someone and you immediately just there's

1691
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:29,390
a bad vibe there and you don't don't

1692
01:31:36,189 --> 01:31:32,690
care for that person that's what this

1693
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:36,199
was like was it the same a did you pick

1694
01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:39,050
up that vibe from him that he was also

1695
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,710
feeling the same about you well when we

1696
01:31:47,770 --> 01:31:44,719
got back to base we were ordered to have

1697
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:47,780
no contact now I'm we're gonna we're

1698
01:31:52,660 --> 01:31:49,610
gonna talk about all of this in just a

1699
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:52,670
second and also to have OSI step in is a

1700
01:31:56,860 --> 01:31:55,310
really big deal and so let's do that

1701
01:31:57,399 --> 01:31:56,870
let's go ahead and take our break right

1702
01:31:59,489 --> 01:31:57,409
now let's get

1703
01:32:04,060 --> 01:31:59,499
out of the way because this perfect spot

1704
01:32:05,949 --> 01:32:04,070
perfect spot to segue about what happens

1705
01:32:07,929 --> 01:32:05,959
next when they arrive at the base I

1706
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,939
guess tonight Terry Lovelace were

1707
01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:09,679
talking about this book incident at

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Devil's Den I'm Yours junior church this

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[Music]

1777
01:36:14,490 --> 01:36:13,540
welcome back fade to black I'm the host

1778
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:14,500
Jimmy Church

1779
01:36:20,530 --> 01:36:17,600
tonight our guest is a Terry Lovelace

1780
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:20,540
and we're discussing discussing his book

1781
01:36:26,050 --> 01:36:24,050
and encounter incident at Devil's Den

1782
01:36:28,180 --> 01:36:26,060
and the links for the book are over at

1783
01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:28,190
Jimmy Turks radio.com and I do want to

1784
01:36:36,970 --> 01:36:32,630
say to everybody that the details that

1785
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:36,980
Terry has on the are just incredible the

1786
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:40,130
book is so well written tonight we only

1787
01:36:46,419 --> 01:36:43,070
have two hours two and half hours to get

1788
01:36:48,010 --> 01:36:46,429
all of this in and you need to go back

1789
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:48,020
and when you read the book and the

1790
01:36:52,979 --> 01:36:50,210
details that are there Terry I'm very

1791
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:52,989
thankful that you did take notes and

1792
01:36:57,250 --> 01:36:55,550
your memory of everything is just

1793
01:36:59,280 --> 01:36:57,260
incredible in the detail in the book

1794
01:37:02,620 --> 01:36:59,290
it's just like you're right there and

1795
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:02,630
and we're we're leaving so much out but

1796
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:04,190
that's the reason to go and get the book

1797
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:07,489
- it's a it's a really great read but

1798
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:09,410
let's pick up where we left off so you

1799
01:37:15,700 --> 01:37:13,550
and Toby oh oh okay you and Toby are on

1800
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,710
your way back to Whiteman but you said

1801
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:17,840
something earlier I want to just address

1802
01:37:22,060 --> 01:37:20,090
really quick you said when you came out

1803
01:37:26,620 --> 01:37:22,070
and Toby was on his knees he had the

1804
01:37:29,140 --> 01:37:26,630
tears in his face that you were in pain

1805
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:29,150
what did you know at the time what the

1806
01:37:33,729 --> 01:37:31,610
pain was from and and what where was it

1807
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:33,739
was it just your entire body

1808
01:37:42,130 --> 01:37:38,890
it was just generalized body aches I

1809
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:42,140
found out later when I got home my wife

1810
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:43,820
took my temperature I had a hurt for

1811
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:46,370
temperature so some of those body aches

1812
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:49,310
I could attribute the fever but some of

1813
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:51,530
them I felt like I'd been beaten yeah

1814
01:37:57,550 --> 01:37:54,710
you were traumatized you're talking yeah

1815
01:38:00,669 --> 01:37:57,560
yeah totally and and plus you're an EMT

1816
01:38:02,650 --> 01:38:00,679
you know you're medic so you know that

1817
01:38:05,470 --> 01:38:02,660
there's something going on if you've got

1818
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:05,480
some kind of physical trauma it's it's

1819
01:38:13,209 --> 01:38:08,449
your job right did you did you diagnose

1820
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:13,219
yourself you know yeah yeah yeah we we

1821
01:38:18,220 --> 01:38:15,290
pulled into his first service station

1822
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:18,230
that we could find open 1977 this was

1823
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:20,449
rural there was nothing down there right

1824
01:38:27,610 --> 01:38:24,290
and I ran to the bathroom

1825
01:38:29,530 --> 01:38:27,620
yeah it's just a grungy faucet I

1826
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:29,540
remember I put my hands in the defroster

1827
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:32,030
then I drank oh my friend I like a hole

1828
01:38:36,820 --> 01:38:33,650
I couldn't get enough water it was so

1829
01:38:38,230 --> 01:38:36,830
dehydrated and I splashed some water in

1830
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:38,240
my face like stood up and looked at

1831
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,650
myself in the mirror and couldn't

1832
01:38:45,070 --> 01:38:40,880
believe it I was

1833
01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:45,080
beet-red III did he blister but it was

1834
01:38:52,090 --> 01:38:49,340
like a terrible sunburn and then I had

1835
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:52,100
my shirt up and I realized I'm sunburned

1836
01:38:57,820 --> 01:38:55,310
under my arms not how does that happen

1837
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,830
and I remember I thought you know why

1838
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:00,320
would end up in a nude and it's like a

1839
01:39:05,890 --> 01:39:02,960
chicken on a rotisserie in the Sun right

1840
01:39:07,570 --> 01:39:05,900
right right right my shirt off during

1841
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:07,580
the whole thing we use sunscreen

1842
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:10,850
now those there's no reason for that and

1843
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:13,610
photo phobic my eyes were so sensitive

1844
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:19,370
to light and that and the thirst was

1845
01:39:26,890 --> 01:39:23,570
just but I hate Toby was worse Toby Toby

1846
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:26,900
was was worse off I mean this whole face

1847
01:39:32,980 --> 01:39:29,840
was swollen and distorted where my eyes

1848
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:32,990
were just puffy and swollen at this

1849
01:39:38,590 --> 01:39:36,410
point were you cognizant did you

1850
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:38,600
remember everything that had just

1851
01:39:45,250 --> 01:39:43,550
happened did you remember it yeah did

1852
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:45,260
you remember the craft did you remember

1853
01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:48,290
the little guys out in the field

1854
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:51,080
did the beams of light did you remember

1855
01:39:59,440 --> 01:39:54,850
all of that no not on a linear not on a

1856
01:40:02,500 --> 01:39:59,450
chronological order it's hard to explain

1857
01:40:07,170 --> 01:40:02,510
but what it was was it was flashes

1858
01:40:10,450 --> 01:40:07,180
mental flashes and I would get a flash

1859
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:10,460
memory and I would shake my head and say

1860
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:18,650
no no no I wanted to ask you before we

1861
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:21,340
get back to the car and head to the base

1862
01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:25,850
were the were the creatures was itwas et

1863
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:29,960
where they clothed do you remember we

1864
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:32,840
could see pretty well because the things

1865
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:38,330
on the light were were the the light

1866
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:40,850
panels had the whole place lit up like a

1867
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:43,850
ballpark and we could see these little

1868
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:46,820
guys they were like a gray pantsuit or

1869
01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:50,480
something they were clothed we also

1870
01:40:55,450 --> 01:40:52,640
notice I first mistook them for children

1871
01:40:57,550 --> 01:40:55,460
and then it did then I realized that

1872
01:41:00,130 --> 01:40:57,560
they were their bodies were

1873
01:41:02,590 --> 01:41:00,140
disproportionately to a human being they

1874
01:41:05,050 --> 01:41:02,600
were their legs for shorter their arms

1875
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:05,060
were longer their torso was extended and

1876
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:08,450
their the heads were bigger and they

1877
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,310
they walked with an odd gait so I knew

1878
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:15,920
that these were damaged human beings

1879
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:19,010
right right what a nightmare just

1880
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:21,950
absolutely crazy cool into in a sense

1881
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,570
too as well

1882
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:25,760
but let's get back to the car okay so

1883
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:29,570
now you guys you get back in the car you

1884
01:41:34,900 --> 01:41:32,330
try to quench your thirst Toby's in bad

1885
01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:34,910
shape you're driving you head to the

1886
01:41:43,690 --> 01:41:39,560
base what happens next we get we get

1887
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:43,700
home I don't think for the entire drive

1888
01:41:50,610 --> 01:41:47,210
back there were two words said between

1889
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,620
us there's two people that just had this

1890
01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:54,080
incredible experience and you think we'd

1891
01:41:59,820 --> 01:41:56,630
be comparing notes and saying Hollywood

1892
01:42:06,400 --> 01:41:59,830
no no no wasn't like that at all it was

1893
01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:06,410
I felt a distaste for the guy that I

1894
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:09,380
couldn't reconcile in my mind and we we

1895
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:11,210
didn't talk there was no conversation on

1896
01:42:16,450 --> 01:42:14,330
the way back it was just awkward and I

1897
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:16,460
remember I roused and he was sleeping I

1898
01:42:22,930 --> 01:42:19,670
think he was asleep when we were bought

1899
01:42:27,070 --> 01:42:22,940
and I told him told ETA about 15 minutes

1900
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:27,080
man and he got up and he didn't say a

1901
01:42:31,690 --> 01:42:29,450
word and I dropped him off we lived in

1902
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:31,700
base housing and NCO housing but I

1903
01:42:37,330 --> 01:42:34,250
dropped him off he got out of the car I

1904
01:42:39,790 --> 01:42:37,340
think my parting words were SIA I don't

1905
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:39,800
think he said anything and he just well

1906
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:42,080
he had was his flashlight we left we

1907
01:42:46,690 --> 01:42:44,210
left everything there I had my wallet my

1908
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:46,700
keys we left her cooler we left the tent

1909
01:42:51,459 --> 01:42:48,290
without blankets we look

1910
01:42:55,089 --> 01:42:51,469
Toby's backpack his camera every

1911
01:42:57,009 --> 01:42:55,099
thing we left it's at the site all we

1912
01:42:59,500 --> 01:42:57,019
wanted was to get distance from that

1913
01:43:02,259 --> 01:42:59,510
metal did you take any pictures did a

1914
01:43:08,169 --> 01:43:02,269
Toby worth it was there anything left on

1915
01:43:11,140 --> 01:43:08,179
the cameras oh my god you know and this

1916
01:43:14,919 --> 01:43:11,150
this is worth telling because we're just

1917
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,929
not this inept you know we're we guys of

1918
01:43:19,209 --> 01:43:16,639
course not of course not

1919
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:19,219
and you know part of our routine was we

1920
01:43:23,469 --> 01:43:21,380
stalked an ambulance every day that's

1921
01:43:26,109 --> 01:43:23,479
right you guys had routines

1922
01:43:28,419 --> 01:43:26,119
yes packing for this trip should have

1923
01:43:31,629 --> 01:43:28,429
been a no-brainer right and we made

1924
01:43:34,959 --> 01:43:31,639
exhaustive lists and we went through

1925
01:43:37,810 --> 01:43:34,969
this exaggerated logistics and I had my

1926
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:37,820
camera I had different kinds of

1927
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:40,249
black-and-white films I was reading

1928
01:43:45,339 --> 01:43:42,110
Ansel Adams and looking his photographs

1929
01:43:47,049 --> 01:43:45,349
and I had I had the film all put

1930
01:43:49,089 --> 01:43:47,059
together I had new telephoto lens I

1931
01:43:51,629 --> 01:43:49,099
wanted to try I had a camp planner and I

1932
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:51,639
borrow from someone and a hatchet and

1933
01:43:59,080 --> 01:43:56,110
we're three hours south and I realized

1934
01:44:03,759 --> 01:43:59,090
Toby I think I left that stuff in that

1935
01:44:05,979 --> 01:44:03,769
kitchen and then I'm like punching the

1936
01:44:08,020 --> 01:44:05,989
steering room like now this cannot be

1937
01:44:09,279 --> 01:44:08,030
and Toby's like no I mean I pulled this

1938
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:09,289
thing over you you couldn't have done

1939
01:44:16,839 --> 01:44:14,420
that and I pulled the car over and no it

1940
01:44:18,430 --> 01:44:16,849
was saying we didn't find it it wasn't

1941
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:18,440
there it was on my kitchen counter where

1942
01:44:26,979 --> 01:44:22,489
I left it but thought to use Toby's

1943
01:44:30,419 --> 01:44:26,989
camera never crossed our minds and I'm

1944
01:44:35,410 --> 01:44:30,429
an amateur photographer at the time I I

1945
01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:35,420
can't understand that you know I

1946
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:36,920
wouldn't have been real thrilled about

1947
01:44:41,620 --> 01:44:40,159
having a flash go off but the thought of

1948
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:41,630
using the camera never crossed my mind

1949
01:44:46,930 --> 01:44:43,010
yeah that's crazy

1950
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,940
that's crazy and you guys just you know

1951
01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:48,800
the attention to detail and everything

1952
01:44:54,129 --> 01:44:52,550
else but you guys just left hightailed

1953
01:44:58,989 --> 01:44:54,139
it out of there and everything was just

1954
01:45:00,969 --> 01:44:58,999
like and somebody came back and got that

1955
01:45:02,979 --> 01:45:00,979
stuff and we'll talk about that too as

1956
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:02,989
well so let's okay so you get back you

1957
01:45:09,550 --> 01:45:04,610
drop Toby off

1958
01:45:12,820 --> 01:45:09,560
and and you had home what happens next

1959
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:12,830
what did your wife say III walk in the

1960
01:45:20,350 --> 01:45:17,210
door and my wife said oh hang on you

1961
01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:20,360
back early and she looked at me and all

1962
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:23,980
she could see was Terry what the hell

1963
01:45:30,670 --> 01:45:28,310
and I sat down at the kitchen and I said

1964
01:45:32,830 --> 01:45:30,680
I need something to drink and she I

1965
01:45:35,140 --> 01:45:32,840
remember she had me a tumbler of

1966
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:35,150
lemonade and I just downed it she kept

1967
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:36,800
filling it up and she said what happened

1968
01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:40,970
to you and I told her the truth I don't

1969
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:46,220
know and my memories foggy again at this

1970
01:45:53,620 --> 01:45:51,440
point and I'm in so much pain and she

1971
01:45:58,230 --> 01:45:53,630
puts me in a tub of water gets my fever

1972
01:46:00,610 --> 01:45:58,240
down to 102 takes me to the hospital and

1973
01:46:02,440 --> 01:46:00,620
when one more at the hospital I hear I

1974
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:02,450
heard Toby's wife out in the hallway so

1975
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:06,320
I knew Toby had to be there too but I

1976
01:46:12,130 --> 01:46:07,730
didn't know it at the time we were

1977
01:46:16,860 --> 01:46:12,140
listed as acutely ill and I had the most

1978
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:20,880
and they admitted me to the hospital and

1979
01:46:28,330 --> 01:46:24,410
I want to jump to the point where I I

1980
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:28,340
had I was there for two days or two

1981
01:46:34,510 --> 01:46:32,570
nights rather on the third day well they

1982
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:34,520
kept the lights turned off that's where

1983
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:36,410
I'm going with this the overhead lights

1984
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:38,570
cuz man it overhead light would just

1985
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:40,730
kill my eyes that was still that full of

1986
01:46:48,820 --> 01:46:46,480
phobic right my nurse walks in with a

1987
01:46:50,650 --> 01:46:48,830
hypodermic needle in her hand and I knew

1988
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:50,660
what it was it was my pain med because I

1989
01:46:57,900 --> 01:46:52,810
was due for it and I could use it and

1990
01:47:03,460 --> 01:46:57,910
behind her came two guys in suits and

1991
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:03,470
the one short guy old he was an older

1992
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:05,030
guy there was an older guy and a younger

1993
01:47:10,900 --> 01:47:07,850
guy the solder guy I referred to as

1994
01:47:14,860 --> 01:47:10,910
agent Gregory in the book was jest Oh

1995
01:47:17,070 --> 01:47:14,870
just I mean he had this flattop haircut

1996
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:17,080
you can recall

1997
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:19,360
what those even look like absolutely I

1998
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:22,330
never trusted anybody with a flat top oh

1999
01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:27,040
you just don't do it oh yeah so just

2000
01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:29,680
reeks of intimidation that's right and

2001
01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:32,440
you know these guys suit coat open so

2002
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:36,100
you can see the shoulder holster and the

2003
01:47:41,550 --> 01:47:38,110
nurse came around to give me an

2004
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:41,560
injection and this the odor agent who

2005
01:47:43,890 --> 01:47:43,090
was in charge the younger guy was a

2006
01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:43,900
captain

2007
01:47:48,770 --> 01:47:46,750
we didn't say much he said if that's

2008
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:48,780
gonna sedate him it's gonna have to wait

2009
01:47:54,900 --> 01:47:52,510
we have to ask him some questions so she

2010
01:47:59,130 --> 01:47:54,910
left in a huff and I didn't get my pain

2011
01:48:02,190 --> 01:47:59,140
meds and he shut the door and flipped on

2012
01:48:04,620 --> 01:48:02,200
the overheads and I'm like sir could you

2013
01:48:06,630 --> 01:48:04,630
turn those out please I hiked mine and

2014
01:48:10,230 --> 01:48:06,640
it did it me like sand in my eyes

2015
01:48:13,110 --> 01:48:10,240
and he said gotta see what we're doing

2016
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:13,120
here son can't work in the dark now can

2017
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:18,490
we and they pulled tears around next to

2018
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:20,050
be at the head of my bed where I was the

2019
01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:21,730
captain went down to the bed it was a

2020
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,190
crank dad not electric and cranked up

2021
01:48:29,390 --> 01:48:26,800
the bed so I was sitting upright and the

2022
01:48:35,190 --> 01:48:29,400
major moved everything off my tray table

2023
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:35,200
and slid it under my chest and started

2024
01:48:41,340 --> 01:48:39,550
asking me questions and they they

2025
01:48:44,490 --> 01:48:41,350
explained first of all the way he read

2026
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:44,500
nearly all of my rights under the UCMJ

2027
01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:47,440
and I remember saying you know sir my in

2028
01:48:53,550 --> 01:48:51,310
trouble and he kind of chuckled and

2029
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:53,560
looked at the captain and said son would

2030
01:48:58,440 --> 01:48:55,600
I be here if you weren't in trouble

2031
01:48:59,940 --> 01:48:58,450
that's right and I thought oh my god

2032
01:49:03,870 --> 01:48:59,950
what do we do I thought maybe we burned

2033
01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:03,880
a forest down or something right and he

2034
01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:06,190
said well you know Park Rangers found

2035
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,950
your little campsite and he said now you

2036
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:10,960
you left in the middle of the night and

2037
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:13,450
you drove halfway across the state now

2038
01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:16,210
why would you do that sir why why would

2039
01:49:20,610 --> 01:49:18,430
you do that why why would you why

2040
01:49:22,230 --> 01:49:20,620
wouldn't you come back did you did you

2041
01:49:24,570 --> 01:49:22,240
guys have a little marijuana plot out

2042
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:24,580
there somewhere and oh my god that made

2043
01:49:30,850 --> 01:49:28,960
me so scared because I thought God if by

2044
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:30,860
happenstance that there were marijuana

2045
01:49:37,450 --> 01:49:32,650
thought they could try to you know yeah

2046
01:49:39,790 --> 01:49:37,460
that's right everything he said was to

2047
01:49:42,250 --> 01:49:39,800
intimidate me and he was very very good

2048
01:49:43,870 --> 01:49:42,260
at it and years later in retrospect and

2049
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:43,880
after working with law enforcement I

2050
01:49:49,959 --> 01:49:46,280
could see that a lot of it was theater

2051
01:49:52,090 --> 01:49:49,969
but boy at the time it scared me to

2052
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,100
death especially when you know you

2053
01:50:01,300 --> 01:49:54,639
haven't done anything wrong

2054
01:50:03,729 --> 01:50:01,310
yes well we we he made a big deal about

2055
01:50:06,189 --> 01:50:03,739
the trespass he says you know Park

2056
01:50:07,780 --> 01:50:06,199
Rangers found your your little campsite

2057
01:50:11,229 --> 01:50:07,790
and he says did you know that was

2058
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:11,239
federal land and I thought who cares

2059
01:50:16,959 --> 01:50:14,510
what's the big deal I said no sir he

2060
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:16,969
says yeah you know you guys you guys are

2061
01:50:22,180 --> 01:50:20,570
trespassing on a federal land and he

2062
01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:22,190
tried to make a big deal out of that and

2063
01:50:29,740 --> 01:50:26,630
I didn't understand it and then either

2064
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,750
he read me my rights and he laid out

2065
01:50:36,340 --> 01:50:32,000
some forms in front of me there were six

2066
01:50:39,790 --> 01:50:36,350
forms and I said sir what are these and

2067
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:39,800
he says son these are waiver consent

2068
01:50:44,020 --> 01:50:41,750
forms and they're going to give us

2069
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:44,030
permission to look around your house

2070
01:50:48,810 --> 01:50:46,489
look around your car to see if there's

2071
01:50:50,979 --> 01:50:48,820
anything that that you shouldn't have

2072
01:50:52,810 --> 01:50:50,989
understand like anything that you want

2073
01:50:55,959 --> 01:50:52,820
to hide now you're not gonna hide

2074
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:55,969
anything from us are you is or you do

2075
01:51:00,040 --> 01:50:57,530
want to set your cooperate and sign

2076
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:00,050
these and I saw sir do I have to sign

2077
01:51:05,979 --> 01:51:03,290
these and that's when he said something

2078
01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:05,989
in fact like no no no I can I can just

2079
01:51:11,140 --> 01:51:08,300
take these away we'll just see you at

2080
01:51:12,459 --> 01:51:11,150
the court-martial and I'm like no sir I

2081
01:51:15,850 --> 01:51:12,469
want to do whatever I need to do to

2082
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,860
cooperate yeah you know I'm 22 I'm dumb

2083
01:51:22,090 --> 01:51:18,080
I don't have the benefit of a law degree

2084
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,100
and I signed EC six forms right where he

2085
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:24,320
points his finger sign here sign here

2086
01:51:29,470 --> 01:51:27,110
sign here I signed all six forms an

2087
01:51:32,109 --> 01:51:29,480
initial two box and he scooped him up

2088
01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:32,119
put him in a manila folder you know it

2089
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:35,230
looks satisfied stuck him in his case

2090
01:51:41,140 --> 01:51:37,610
and I found out that they went they

2091
01:51:43,180 --> 01:51:41,150
searched my car they got Toby's little

2092
01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:43,190
hand-drawn map

2093
01:51:47,970 --> 01:51:45,350
actually the captain left in the middle

2094
01:51:50,140 --> 01:51:47,980
of the thing and brought it back the

2095
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:50,150
hand-drawn map in the map that he took

2096
01:51:55,630 --> 01:51:53,270
from the kiosk and he laid them down on

2097
01:51:57,790 --> 01:51:55,640
in front of me on the tray tape when it

2098
01:52:01,300 --> 01:51:57,800
says now sunny that explained these to

2099
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:01,310
me show me where you were and he made me

2100
01:52:06,939 --> 01:52:03,770
you know look like he said look like you

2101
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:06,949
were above looking down and he really

2102
01:52:10,959 --> 01:52:08,719
tried to get me to narrow down and I did

2103
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:10,969
my very best you know point which

2104
01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:13,250
direction was nor do you want me to draw

2105
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:16,070
where the car was was he trying to was

2106
01:52:22,930 --> 01:52:20,690
he was he trying to trip you up his

2107
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:22,940
questions were always trying to trip me

2108
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:25,730
up yeah what he would do is he would mix

2109
01:52:32,380 --> 01:52:29,810
I yes and no question right so and and

2110
01:52:34,990 --> 01:52:32,390
and he did that constantly so I would

2111
01:52:37,209 --> 01:52:35,000
have to say well sir yes and and no and

2112
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:37,219
then and then try to explain myself and

2113
01:52:42,459 --> 01:52:40,250
then he said you know no did you spend

2114
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:42,469
the night in the park last night and I

2115
01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:46,730
thought he meant the campgrounds and I

2116
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:47,780
said no sir

2117
01:52:53,890 --> 01:52:50,000
and as soon as I said that he would

2118
01:52:57,459 --> 01:52:53,900
ballistic and he says you know where did

2119
01:53:01,479 --> 01:52:57,469
you stay expletive expletive the Hilton

2120
01:53:04,650 --> 01:53:01,489
and I'm just looking at him confused and

2121
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:04,660
he says you didn't stay in a campground

2122
01:53:08,530 --> 01:53:07,310
they found your stuff Park Rangers found

2123
01:53:09,070 --> 01:53:08,540
your stuff out there out of the

2124
01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:09,080
wilderness

2125
01:53:13,689 --> 01:53:11,510
I said sir I'm sorry I misunderstood

2126
01:53:15,220 --> 01:53:13,699
your question but that was that was the

2127
01:53:17,740 --> 01:53:15,230
whole theme with the thing was to keep

2128
01:53:19,870 --> 01:53:17,750
me you know off balance and intimidated

2129
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:19,880
and and I was intimidated

2130
01:53:26,350 --> 01:53:22,730
then they searched my home and they

2131
01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:26,360
searched my car and they asked me

2132
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:29,390
questions about they night he knew

2133
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:31,730
because he told me says I know you that

2134
01:53:37,330 --> 01:53:33,860
you threw the squadron's photographer he

2135
01:53:38,860 --> 01:53:37,340
says you got a reputation for that and

2136
01:53:40,660 --> 01:53:38,870
he says you know I know you got you got

2137
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:40,670
this telephoto and ask me what do you

2138
01:53:43,470 --> 01:53:42,110
like the photograph I said like you got

2139
01:53:46,090 --> 01:53:43,480
a telephoto lens I like to photograph

2140
01:53:47,860 --> 01:53:46,100
Eagles and the moon I was kind of

2141
01:53:50,830 --> 01:53:47,870
captivated with the moon at the time for

2142
01:53:52,810 --> 01:53:50,840
some reason this is what I want to know

2143
01:53:54,610 --> 01:53:52,820
what it is your take with this kind of

2144
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:54,620
pictures are taken with this telescopic

2145
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:56,650
lens of yours

2146
01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:01,360
and boy he just he just drilled me drove

2147
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,150
me drilled me and got to the point where

2148
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,480
the nurse came back and said you know

2149
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:08,560
dr. Sanders wants him to have his

2150
01:54:13,380 --> 01:54:10,449
medicine now I can bring doctor down

2151
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:13,390
here if you'd like and the both the guy

2152
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:15,520
stood up and the old guy said no no I

2153
01:54:17,970 --> 01:54:16,719
think we're about done here I think

2154
01:54:22,620 --> 01:54:17,980
we're about done with Sargent my place

2155
01:54:24,180 --> 01:54:22,630
and the nurse left the captain left and

2156
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:24,190
shut the door behind him so it was just

2157
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:28,090
me and the the older major Gregory agent

2158
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:30,730
Gregory in the room and he said you're

2159
01:54:35,850 --> 01:54:33,640
gonna have no contact with senior Airman

2160
01:54:37,950 --> 01:54:35,860
Tobias in any way she performed that

2161
01:54:39,209 --> 01:54:37,960
means not through notes not to letters

2162
01:54:43,380 --> 01:54:39,219
not through a third party do you

2163
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:43,390
understand me son and I said yes sir and

2164
01:54:45,780 --> 01:54:44,770
you know at that point I didn't want to

2165
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:45,790
have anything to do with the guy for

2166
01:54:53,610 --> 01:54:51,130
some reason and then his demeanor

2167
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:53,620
changed and he went from the stern

2168
01:54:58,800 --> 01:54:55,570
aspect to just kind of looking like a

2169
01:55:04,100 --> 01:54:58,810
regular guy and he gets down next close

2170
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:04,110
to my ear and he says look son I know

2171
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,730
you two knuckleheads stumbled into

2172
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:08,320
something didn't you

2173
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:10,870
I know what it was and you know what it

2174
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:17,679
was don't ya I know you do and he said I

2175
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:21,130
just want to see a picture she took and

2176
01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:23,170
I said sir I I never took a pitch I

2177
01:55:28,260 --> 01:55:25,540
never took I said I left my camera at

2178
01:55:31,169 --> 01:55:28,270
home my wife will please cut me off

2179
01:55:35,729 --> 01:55:31,179
Stern at that back line looked at me and

2180
01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:35,739
said I don't believe you and then he

2181
01:55:43,410 --> 01:55:38,110
left turn to turn the lights out when he

2182
01:55:49,140 --> 01:55:43,420
left yeah it's strange guy but terrified

2183
01:55:53,370 --> 01:55:49,150
me to death and this no order contact no

2184
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:53,380
contact order with Toby was something

2185
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:55,810
because I did see Toby one last time and

2186
01:56:00,720 --> 01:55:58,440
that was kind of poignant and that was

2187
01:56:03,540 --> 01:56:00,730
something I want to talk about but

2188
01:56:05,729 --> 01:56:03,550
briefly but when when it came time to go

2189
01:56:09,149 --> 01:56:05,739
home they gave us what I referred to in

2190
01:56:10,209 --> 01:56:09,159
the book as a bucket of pills and they

2191
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:10,219
gave us both

2192
01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:12,800
why assuming they gave to Opie I didn't

2193
01:56:19,110 --> 01:56:15,710
talk to him but I had all these capsules

2194
01:56:22,420 --> 01:56:19,120
and I was to take three a day with meals

2195
01:56:25,450 --> 01:56:22,430
morning noon and night time and they

2196
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:25,460
sent a nurse to my house every evening

2197
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:28,670
to count my pills to make sure that I

2198
01:56:33,970 --> 01:56:32,210
had taken them correctly and about the

2199
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:33,980
third day of taking these pills my

2200
01:56:39,130 --> 01:56:37,010
wife's like what is wrong with you and

2201
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:39,140
I'm like I don't know I feel kind of

2202
01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:42,110
loopy she says loopy you're like you're

2203
01:56:45,939 --> 01:56:43,489
like you're drunk there's something

2204
01:56:47,709 --> 01:56:45,949
wrong with you and she made the

2205
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:47,719
connection you know god bless her she

2206
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,130
made the connection said it's those

2207
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:51,920
pills you're taking no you know I had a

2208
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:54,230
physicians Desk Reference which at the

2209
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,280
time it had a photograph of every pill

2210
01:57:01,600 --> 01:56:59,360
manufactured approved by the FDA

2211
01:57:05,650 --> 01:57:01,610
my god I wish I'd saved just one of

2212
01:57:07,900 --> 01:57:05,660
those capsules and those capsules were

2213
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:07,910
not in that PDR anywhere so these these

2214
01:57:15,250 --> 01:57:09,650
were something special made somewhere

2215
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:15,260
and I stopped taking them and within a

2216
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:18,290
week I was back to normal but it was

2217
01:57:23,860 --> 01:57:21,050
gradual so we would take and flush him

2218
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:23,870
down the toilet at every meal so we'd be

2219
01:57:26,979 --> 01:57:25,520
sure if she showed early we had the

2220
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:26,989
correct number of pills for the pill

2221
01:57:32,350 --> 01:57:30,260
count but I don't know what that would

2222
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:32,360
have done to Toby's mind had he taken

2223
01:57:40,930 --> 01:57:37,930
you know all 14 days of those pills so

2224
01:57:44,410 --> 01:57:40,940
with the investigation we've got about

2225
01:57:49,090 --> 01:57:44,420
another three or four minutes before the

2226
01:57:52,630 --> 01:57:49,100
top of the hour how how many times did

2227
01:57:55,570 --> 01:57:52,640
they come back and what about filing of

2228
01:58:03,510 --> 01:57:55,580
a report what did they ask you to do how

2229
01:58:07,330 --> 01:58:03,520
intense did it get it got it got intense

2230
01:58:11,439 --> 01:58:07,340
the major Gregory asked me to do a

2231
01:58:13,450 --> 01:58:11,449
written statement and now you know Here

2232
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:13,460
I am I know I'm not going to tell this

2233
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:16,310
guy saw a UFO five stories tall in a

2234
01:58:19,689 --> 01:58:17,810
city block well I'm not going to say

2235
01:58:24,010 --> 01:58:19,699
though because I know it's going to put

2236
01:58:25,690 --> 01:58:24,020
me in a psych ward I thought

2237
01:58:28,030 --> 01:58:25,700
then you know well I wrote on my

2238
01:58:30,730 --> 01:58:28,040
statement and I just I just kind of

2239
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:30,740
glossed it over we went to bed we got up

2240
01:58:36,910 --> 01:58:33,910
at 3 a.m. we were bug Benton and

2241
01:58:41,050 --> 01:58:36,920
sunburned and so miserable we decided to

2242
01:58:46,750 --> 01:58:41,060
come home and just left her stuff there

2243
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:46,760
by accident and of course you know this

2244
01:58:51,490 --> 01:58:48,890
Gregory guy didn't believe that he

2245
01:58:53,410 --> 01:58:51,500
believed when I was in that hospital bed

2246
01:58:55,930 --> 01:58:53,420
and he got down next to my ear and said

2247
01:58:56,590 --> 01:58:55,940
you two knuckleheads stumbled onto

2248
01:59:01,150 --> 01:58:56,600
something

2249
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:01,160
she knew he knew he knew what we saw I

2250
01:59:09,910 --> 01:59:04,130
and no doubt no question he knew it you

2251
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:09,920
knew all about it and well and this is

2252
01:59:18,010 --> 01:59:13,370
the other point that the audience really

2253
01:59:25,870 --> 01:59:18,020
needs to absorb OSI Office of Special

2254
01:59:30,220 --> 01:59:25,880
Investigations is intimidating and as as

2255
01:59:32,860 --> 01:59:30,230
somebody in the military you always hear

2256
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:32,870
about OSI in the background but as long

2257
01:59:38,050 --> 01:59:34,490
as you run clean you don't bump into

2258
01:59:42,460 --> 01:59:38,060
those guys but if you do bump into those

2259
01:59:45,910 --> 01:59:42,470
guys it is bad news you've either done

2260
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:45,920
something really bad or or their reason

2261
01:59:51,010 --> 01:59:48,530
for being there is a bad situation that

2262
01:59:54,970 --> 01:59:51,020
you may or may not be involved in but

2263
01:59:58,210 --> 01:59:54,980
nothing good comes of that and that is

2264
02:00:00,640 --> 01:59:58,220
what OSI represents and that must have

2265
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:00,650
scared the crap out of you and you know

2266
02:00:05,620 --> 02:00:03,410
OSI shows up at the hospital where OSI

2267
02:00:06,940 --> 02:00:05,630
and they're there for you everybody

2268
02:00:09,820 --> 02:00:06,950
snaps to attention

2269
02:00:11,740 --> 02:00:09,830
that's what OSI represent and I know

2270
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:11,750
that I'm not wrong in painting that

2271
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:13,760
picture that's exactly what's going on

2272
02:00:27,010 --> 02:00:25,730
here yes it really does yeah I didn't

2273
02:00:29,050 --> 02:00:27,020
know how to address thing I didn't know

2274
02:00:29,709 --> 02:00:29,060
what to say is everything I said was

2275
02:00:31,479 --> 02:00:29,719
wrong

2276
02:00:33,939 --> 02:00:31,489
and everything set the guy off and it

2277
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:33,949
was well what did you say we've got

2278
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:36,530
about one minute here Terry oh so what

2279
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:39,890
did you say in your written statement in

2280
02:00:44,140 --> 02:00:41,330
my written statement I said that we'd

2281
02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:44,150
rolled down we got there we set up our

2282
02:00:51,220 --> 02:00:48,430
camp well we we made a campfire and we

2283
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:51,230
you know laid out on some ear mattresses

2284
02:00:58,959 --> 02:00:56,210
and watch the night sky for a while with

2285
02:01:02,830 --> 02:00:58,969
the bed woke up badly sunburned and bug

2286
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:02,840
bitten and then we drove home well you

2287
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:05,330
know two years prior to this there was

2288
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:07,730
another event that I talked about in my

2289
02:01:14,500 --> 02:01:10,610
book and that's the event where I wrote

2290
02:01:17,530 --> 02:01:14,510
the report that our CEO took and used a

2291
02:01:20,410 --> 02:01:17,540
magic marker to redact all the times in

2292
02:01:22,479 --> 02:01:20,420
my report and that may be the report you

2293
02:01:25,689 --> 02:01:22,489
were thinking about because that was

2294
02:01:27,580 --> 02:01:25,699
unusual too but as far as for this

2295
02:01:30,370 --> 02:01:27,590
incident goes it was a pretty

2296
02:01:34,660 --> 02:01:30,380
straightforward written report just

2297
02:01:39,850 --> 02:01:34,670
leaving out everything from 9 p.m. to 3

2298
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:39,860
a.m. and Gregory I'm in a we can discuss

2299
02:01:46,689 --> 02:01:42,800
this when we come back but Gregory was

2300
02:01:50,170 --> 02:01:46,699
also asking you leading questions in my

2301
02:01:51,910 --> 02:01:50,180
opinion near the attorney but but you

2302
02:01:53,350 --> 02:01:51,920
know why were you guys going there what

2303
02:01:55,450 --> 02:01:53,360
do you mean you didn't take any pictures

2304
02:01:57,700 --> 02:01:55,460
something special happened and you

2305
02:02:00,760 --> 02:01:57,710
didn't take Ken you know why were you

2306
02:02:02,979 --> 02:02:00,770
guys going there and and and he you know

2307
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:02,989
these were leading questions he knew the

2308
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:06,110
answers to but he was trying to get the

2309
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:13,959
absolutely everything say yes or no no

2310
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:16,010
there's no there's no room for for an

2311
02:02:20,439 --> 02:02:18,650
explanation it's yes or no let's take a

2312
02:02:22,060 --> 02:02:20,449
break right here our guest tonight Terry

2313
02:02:24,850 --> 02:02:22,070
Lovelace we're talking about his book

2314
02:02:26,979 --> 02:02:24,860
and it's an amazing read incident at

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02:02:28,959 --> 02:02:26,989
Devil's Den this is fade to black I'm

2316
02:02:31,780 --> 02:02:28,969
yours Jimmy Church we're gonna pick it

2317
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:31,790
up or we left off when we come back stay

2318
02:02:47,469 --> 02:02:39,919
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Jimmy Church to follow me on Twitter I J

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Church radio

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02:07:02,460 --> 02:06:58,230
my guest tonight Terry Lovelace

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02:07:07,290 --> 02:07:02,470
discussing his amazing book incident at

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02:07:09,090 --> 02:07:07,300
Devil's Den and Terry we've got we've

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02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:09,100
got so much to discuss and I can tell

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02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:10,210
that we're gonna do some overtime

2410
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:14,320
tonight so there you go be prepared for

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02:07:20,210 --> 02:07:17,050
that at the bottom of the hour we've got

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02:07:27,150 --> 02:07:20,220
too much to get into here but

2413
02:07:28,710 --> 02:07:27,160
immediately after the OSI guys we're

2414
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:28,720
gonna continue with that but what was

2415
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:31,170
your treatment like in the Air Force

2416
02:07:38,850 --> 02:07:36,130
after that you were an EMT you had very

2417
02:07:40,830 --> 02:07:38,860
specific professional things that you

2418
02:07:45,210 --> 02:07:40,840
did but what have how did they treat you

2419
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:45,220
after this I I was transferred and I I

2420
02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:48,730
know that they did this to avoid Toby

2421
02:07:57,630 --> 02:07:52,090
and I being a contact with one another

2422
02:08:01,860 --> 02:07:57,640
I was I was reassigned to work in a

2423
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:01,870
supply unit and I'll tell you it was my

2424
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:04,050
worst experience in the Air Force well

2425
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:06,970
one of my worst experiences I didn't I

2426
02:08:11,210 --> 02:08:08,530
had a lot of good experiences in the Air

2427
02:08:14,910 --> 02:08:11,220
Force but this this was not one of them

2428
02:08:17,550 --> 02:08:14,920
so the seal of the hospital sorry to

2429
02:08:23,940 --> 02:08:17,560
lose both of us I mean we were good EMTs

2430
02:08:25,650 --> 02:08:23,950
and I'm in a support unit I go to see my

2431
02:08:28,230 --> 02:08:25,660
new commanding officer and he says you

2432
02:08:30,930 --> 02:08:28,240
know go down and see First Sergeant Rory

2433
02:08:32,610 --> 02:08:30,940
we don't we don't have need for an EMT

2434
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:32,620
here but he'll have something to keep

2435
02:08:41,900 --> 02:08:35,850
you busy so I went down the hall and

2436
02:08:44,970 --> 02:08:41,910
there was a to his door first sergeant

2437
02:08:46,610 --> 02:08:44,980
rolling something and I knocked on his

2438
02:08:48,990 --> 02:08:46,620
door

2439
02:08:50,670 --> 02:08:49,000
you know CL told me you could call him

2440
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:50,680
Roy well he didn't want me to call him

2441
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:52,690
Roy he told me to call him First

2442
02:09:00,540 --> 02:08:56,560
Sergeant so on so but just you know just

2443
02:09:04,130 --> 02:09:00,550
this he was a real thin guy with just

2444
02:09:12,420 --> 02:09:09,620
mannerism and just look for like he was

2445
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:12,430
well I wasn't welcome I'll put it that

2446
02:09:14,730 --> 02:09:12,880
way

2447
02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:14,740
and what was your rank at this time I

2448
02:09:21,420 --> 02:09:17,560
Staff Sergeant Mike yeah you're an e5

2449
02:09:23,820 --> 02:09:21,430
right so you've got your stripes yeah

2450
02:09:26,460 --> 02:09:23,830
yeah you got your stripes and so now

2451
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:26,470
obvious what you don't know it yet but

2452
02:09:36,330 --> 02:09:33,310
you've been downgraded in in back of

2453
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:36,340
this of this building the supply unit

2454
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:38,320
was up was in a little building that

2455
02:09:43,740 --> 02:09:40,960
must have been like a woodwork shop at

2456
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:43,750
one time and first sergeant walked me

2457
02:09:46,590 --> 02:09:45,280
back there any sense yeah he says you

2458
02:09:49,260 --> 02:09:46,600
know I got something I think you know

2459
02:09:51,060 --> 02:09:49,270
he's pretending he's like yeah you know

2460
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:51,070
I got something we can we can help you

2461
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:53,110
or you can help us with we could really

2462
02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:54,970
use your hand he says here's what I need

2463
02:09:59,340 --> 02:09:57,130
you to do he says see this to see that

2464
02:10:00,930 --> 02:09:59,350
stack of plywood over there and I

2465
02:10:05,700 --> 02:10:00,940
thought yeah you know I'm not blind and

2466
02:10:08,130 --> 02:10:05,710
he says I need you to spray-paint 30

2467
02:10:08,610 --> 02:10:08,140
sheets are those four by eight pieces of

2468
02:10:12,780 --> 02:10:08,620
plywood

2469
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:12,790
the paint is all in that can't the cans

2470
02:10:18,690 --> 02:10:15,760
in the corner there and he said here's a

2471
02:10:21,300 --> 02:10:18,700
key come and go as you please you got an

2472
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:21,310
hour for lunch be here at 8:30 worked

2473
02:10:28,380 --> 02:10:26,170
till 5:30 and unless you need me I don't

2474
02:10:33,770 --> 02:10:28,390
expect to hear from you so we're talking

2475
02:10:39,390 --> 02:10:33,780
about an e5 Staff Sergeant EMT is now

2476
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:39,400
spray-painting plywood and it got worse

2477
02:10:46,260 --> 02:10:42,970
and so if it could get any worse and you

2478
02:10:50,220 --> 02:10:46,270
know after a couple of weeks I started

2479
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:50,230
enjoying the isolation you know because

2480
02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:51,730
the other guys in squad who treated me

2481
02:10:54,780 --> 02:10:52,690
like a pariah

2482
02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:54,790
so you know I started like well you know

2483
02:11:00,000 --> 02:10:56,530
this is my workshop I'll make the best

2484
02:11:01,740 --> 02:11:00,010
of this and you know I I did my best cuz

2485
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:01,750
you know yeah you know I'm proud of my

2486
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:03,610
work product always have been if whether

2487
02:11:07,130 --> 02:11:05,290
I'm you know practice the law or

2488
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:07,140
spray-painting I want to do a good job

2489
02:11:11,870 --> 02:11:09,910
so I get done and I go and I get for

2490
02:11:14,490 --> 02:11:11,880
sergeant my knock on a store and I say

2491
02:11:17,580 --> 02:11:14,500
yeah for sergeant I'm done

2492
02:11:19,590 --> 02:11:17,590
take a look and he's you know he's he's

2493
02:11:24,630 --> 02:11:19,600
feigning this I can tell this is all

2494
02:11:27,330 --> 02:11:24,640
fake enthusiasm he's like yeah yeah love

2495
02:11:30,930 --> 02:11:27,340
let's see what you done let's go take a

2496
02:11:33,570 --> 02:11:30,940
look you know and he walked act yeah he

2497
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:33,580
look through these these plywood boards

2498
02:11:37,140 --> 02:11:34,930
I painted looked through maybe a half a

2499
02:11:40,170 --> 02:11:37,150
dozen of them and pointed out a spot or

2500
02:11:45,780 --> 02:11:40,180
two or two painted run and it wasn't

2501
02:11:47,580 --> 02:11:45,790
anything significant and I said well you

2502
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:47,590
know you got another something else for

2503
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:48,850
me to do maybe something a little more

2504
02:11:56,490 --> 02:11:52,930
cerebral and he rubs his chin and he

2505
02:11:59,010 --> 02:11:56,500
says well let me think yeah yeah yeah he

2506
02:11:59,370 --> 02:11:59,020
says you see you see that sandpaper over

2507
02:12:01,680 --> 02:11:59,380
there

2508
02:12:04,940 --> 02:12:01,690
go ahead and sand them down the bear

2509
02:12:08,490 --> 02:12:04,950
would come see me when you're done

2510
02:12:13,290 --> 02:12:08,500
unbelievable and and what about ageing

2511
02:12:15,540 --> 02:12:13,300
Gregory oh you know I I gotta tell this

2512
02:12:19,770 --> 02:12:15,550
because this was the last time that I

2513
02:12:22,110 --> 02:12:19,780
saw my friend Toby and agent Gregory's a

2514
02:12:26,130 --> 02:12:22,120
part and parcel of it

2515
02:12:28,770 --> 02:12:26,140
oh is this with Sheila yeah my wife is

2516
02:12:31,170 --> 02:12:28,780
driving the car right and I begged I

2517
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:31,180
said we please stop by Toby's house

2518
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:33,730
because I had this compulsion I didn't

2519
02:12:37,950 --> 02:12:35,530
want to I really didn't want to see the

2520
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:37,960
guy but I thought I had to say goodbye

2521
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:41,440
to him and it was a strong compulsion to

2522
02:12:47,070 --> 02:12:44,650
say goodbye to him and I and I talked

2523
02:12:49,140 --> 02:12:47,080
her into doing it she pulled over and I

2524
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:49,150
I hopped out of the car and I I told her

2525
02:12:53,820 --> 02:12:51,520
I'll be quick and I ran you know through

2526
02:12:57,420 --> 02:12:53,830
the front door that you know I walked

2527
02:12:58,380 --> 02:12:57,430
through a hundred times and before and

2528
02:13:03,000 --> 02:12:58,390
there's Tammy

2529
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:03,010
there's Toby's wife you know gives me a

2530
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:04,450
hard look and says you're not supposed

2531
02:13:10,980 --> 02:13:08,890
to be here and just went on walking away

2532
02:13:13,950 --> 02:13:10,990
and Toby must have heard this exchange

2533
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:13,960
and he walks around the corner and he's

2534
02:13:19,410 --> 02:13:15,010
a train wreck

2535
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:19,420
I mean he's wearing a dirty t-shirt and

2536
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:24,010
it just wasn't Toby and he was he was

2537
02:13:32,910 --> 02:13:27,520
just his James were dirty you name is

2538
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:32,920
and he walked up to me yet she and I

2539
02:13:38,130 --> 02:13:34,930
could smell vodka on his breath

2540
02:13:41,550 --> 02:13:38,140
and this is 11:30 in the morning

2541
02:13:44,610 --> 02:13:41,560
no and I knew Toby could nurse a beer

2542
02:13:50,190 --> 02:13:44,620
for two hours a 12 ounce can of beer not

2543
02:13:54,330 --> 02:13:50,200
a he was not a drinker and he came out

2544
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:54,340
and his eyes were bloodshot and it was a

2545
02:13:59,280 --> 02:13:57,280
real awkward moment for some reason that

2546
02:14:01,350 --> 02:13:59,290
moment is burned in my memory almost

2547
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:01,360
like the birth of my kids I don't know

2548
02:14:08,010 --> 02:14:04,480
why but it was important at some level

2549
02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:08,020
and I didn't know I'm standing there

2550
02:14:12,690 --> 02:14:10,870
were two feet apart and I didn't I felt

2551
02:14:17,130 --> 02:14:12,700
that it be appropriate to embrace them

2552
02:14:19,770 --> 02:14:17,140
or hit Leigh shake his hand but I'm

2553
02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:19,780
looking at my shoes and I said you know

2554
02:14:22,979 --> 02:14:21,340
I just wanted to stop by and wish you

2555
02:14:27,930 --> 02:14:22,989
well and tell you I enjoyed working with

2556
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:27,940
you and that's he was a short guy and

2557
02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:30,880
that's when I when I looked up we made

2558
02:14:39,410 --> 02:14:34,110
eye contact and I was his eyes were just

2559
02:14:43,260 --> 02:14:39,420
bloodshot and he said it happened didn't

2560
02:14:45,150 --> 02:14:43,270
and I said yeah told it happened and he

2561
02:14:45,660 --> 02:14:45,160
said we're not crazy I'm not losing my

2562
02:14:48,990 --> 02:14:45,670
mind

2563
02:14:53,300 --> 02:14:49,000
I said no Toby it happened you're not

2564
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,310
losing your mind and with with that I

2565
02:15:03,120 --> 02:14:55,840
broke my days with him turn around and I

2566
02:15:04,590 --> 02:15:03,130
ran to our car just uh anyway hopped in

2567
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:04,600
the car there tooth police there are two

2568
02:15:08,729 --> 02:15:06,880
policemen in a parked car in back of us

2569
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:08,739
and they got my like him into this

2570
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:11,920
parking spot and she's crying she's

2571
02:15:16,170 --> 02:15:15,040
freaked out she's gonna rest us no you

2572
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:16,180
got to calm down if they were gonna

2573
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:18,250
arrest us we'd be in the handcuffs

2574
02:15:23,130 --> 02:15:21,280
right did they follow you there or and

2575
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:23,140
you were only inside for a couple of

2576
02:15:28,830 --> 02:15:25,810
minutes right you know so they were

2577
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:28,840
either following you or they were

2578
02:15:34,140 --> 02:15:31,840
watching Toby's place and saw you pull

2579
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:34,150
up but could be could have been

2580
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:36,010
happenstance you know we had a little

2581
02:15:40,450 --> 02:15:37,930
orange Karmann Ghia so it was kind of an

2582
02:15:45,459 --> 02:15:40,460
unusual car right

2583
02:15:47,110 --> 02:15:45,469
but they they followed us right on our

2584
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:47,120
bumper hold we were coming from the

2585
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,960
grocery store and my wife parked and I

2586
02:15:54,580 --> 02:15:52,880
got her to calm down and I grabbed a

2587
02:15:56,830 --> 02:15:54,590
groceries and I run and unlocked the

2588
02:15:58,800 --> 02:15:56,840
door and the phone's ringing and I

2589
02:16:03,750 --> 02:15:58,810
dropped the groceries and I pick it up

2590
02:16:08,979 --> 02:16:03,760
sergeant Lovelace and it's agent Gregory

2591
02:16:11,020 --> 02:16:08,989
okay so just to understand you walk out

2592
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:11,030
of Toby's house you say goodbye for the

2593
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:13,310
last time he says did this really happen

2594
02:16:21,610 --> 02:16:16,850
we're not crazy he's obviously on the

2595
02:16:25,780 --> 02:16:21,620
edge of of losing it you get back out to

2596
02:16:29,260 --> 02:16:25,790
your car and then there's a cop car with

2597
02:16:32,140 --> 02:16:29,270
two cops in it that is basically blocked

2598
02:16:35,860 --> 02:16:32,150
you win so they've arrived they follow

2599
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:35,870
you home after all of this you guys walk

2600
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:38,240
in you're calming your wife down and the

2601
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:41,090
friggin phone rings and and it's agent

2602
02:16:46,209 --> 02:16:44,920
Lovelace none of this is coincidence

2603
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:46,219
none

2604
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:47,690
those guys parked out in front of our

2605
02:16:51,820 --> 02:16:49,010
house and they stayed there for two

2606
02:16:54,700 --> 02:16:51,830
hours but when I picked up the phone I

2607
02:16:57,070 --> 02:16:54,710
said sorry Lovelace and the last person

2608
02:17:00,490 --> 02:16:57,080
I was expecting was agent regularly and

2609
02:17:01,140 --> 02:17:00,500
he says well son you just couldn't do it

2610
02:17:04,030 --> 02:17:01,150
could you

2611
02:17:05,919 --> 02:17:04,040
and I knew what he was talking about and

2612
02:17:09,940 --> 02:17:05,929
I said sir I'm sorry I just wanted to

2613
02:17:11,890 --> 02:17:09,950
say goodbye and and he interrupted me he

2614
02:17:14,140 --> 02:17:11,900
was good at that interrupted me said I

2615
02:17:16,330 --> 02:17:14,150
want to know what you gave him and I

2616
02:17:18,730 --> 02:17:16,340
want to know what he gave you well you

2617
02:17:26,379 --> 02:17:18,740
signed they gave you a direct written

2618
02:17:30,700 --> 02:17:26,389
order to stay away from Toby yes he said

2619
02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:30,710
you know it really know me off whenever

2620
02:17:36,190 --> 02:17:34,130
people disobey my order and he said let

2621
02:17:38,970 --> 02:17:36,200
me talk about sarcasm he says you're

2622
02:17:40,860 --> 02:17:38,980
just dying to change uniforms aren't you

2623
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:40,870
[Music]

2624
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:43,490
I got something in black and white

2625
02:17:47,140 --> 02:17:45,170
stripes that would look good on you and

2626
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:47,150
I'll take your blue uniform would you

2627
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:50,330
like that and I could just dumb it took

2628
02:17:53,890 --> 02:17:51,710
me a minute he was talking about out

2629
02:17:55,770 --> 02:17:53,900
there you know Portlander

2630
02:17:59,920 --> 02:17:55,780
you just talking about the penitentiary

2631
02:18:00,780 --> 02:17:59,930
and I said no sir and it just said you

2632
02:18:03,660 --> 02:18:00,790
know

2633
02:18:07,090 --> 02:18:03,670
watch yourself because I'm watching you

2634
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:07,100
expletives deleted did he ask you what

2635
02:18:13,420 --> 02:18:11,410
you and Toby talked about yeah he said

2636
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:13,430
what did he ask where did you exchange

2637
02:18:17,470 --> 02:18:15,770
and he's where did you talk about and I

2638
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:17,480
said totally the truth I told him like

2639
02:18:24,340 --> 02:18:19,850
that total goodbye I said sir I was in

2640
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:24,350
there maybe four minutes and and that

2641
02:18:31,060 --> 02:18:27,730
was it and then I didn't see him again

2642
02:18:34,541 --> 02:18:31,070
we talked to agent Gregory again until

2643
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:34,551
the interrogation that happened when I

2644
02:18:41,140 --> 02:18:38,000
was in the process of spray-painting one

2645
02:18:44,220 --> 02:18:41,150
I'm sanding off the paint that had just

2646
02:18:50,860 --> 02:18:44,230
particular sleeping on these boards and

2647
02:18:52,570 --> 02:18:50,870
it's you know some weeks later and first

2648
02:18:56,260 --> 02:18:52,580
sergeant comes out and yells at me says

2649
02:18:58,450 --> 02:18:56,270
lovelace CEO wants to see ya so I'm like

2650
02:19:00,371 --> 02:18:58,460
hey just lock up and I thought well that

2651
02:19:04,270 --> 02:19:00,381
could be bad news or good news

2652
02:19:07,630 --> 02:19:04,280
so I lock up my shop and I go running in

2653
02:19:12,630 --> 02:19:07,640
and I I stop to use a bathroom boy am I

2654
02:19:15,550 --> 02:19:12,640
glad I did and check my appearance and

2655
02:19:18,010 --> 02:19:15,560
hustled down to the CIO's office since

2656
02:19:23,590 --> 02:19:18,020
no his secretary was there and she waved

2657
02:19:25,510 --> 02:19:23,600
me in and he said sorry Lovelace the OSI

2658
02:19:27,850 --> 02:19:25,520
sent a car for you they want to see you

2659
02:19:29,410 --> 02:19:27,860
at OSI headquarters they're out front

2660
02:19:32,831 --> 02:19:29,420
right now I wouldn't keep them waiting

2661
02:19:36,371 --> 02:19:32,841
if I were you you're dismissed and I

2662
02:19:38,410 --> 02:19:36,381
said yes sir and I ran down the hallway

2663
02:19:41,831 --> 02:19:38,420
and sure enough there's a blue car right

2664
02:19:43,180 --> 02:19:41,841
in front and I went and I got well there

2665
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:43,190
was a driver and you open the door for

2666
02:19:46,900 --> 02:19:44,930
me I'd never been in the backseat of a

2667
02:19:49,631 --> 02:19:46,910
police car before I thought I noticed

2668
02:19:55,720 --> 02:19:49,641
you know no hand cranks you know the

2669
02:19:58,600 --> 02:19:55,730
metal floor anyway that's either he

2670
02:20:01,660 --> 02:19:58,610
drove us too few and maybe two miles to

2671
02:20:03,570 --> 02:20:01,670
the OSI headquarters which was an

2672
02:20:06,540 --> 02:20:03,580
intimidating building in itself

2673
02:20:09,029 --> 02:20:06,550
you know I I described the book

2674
02:20:15,719 --> 02:20:09,039
architecture is Stalin desk that makes

2675
02:20:19,800 --> 02:20:15,729
sense you know I'm a military brat so

2676
02:20:24,120 --> 02:20:19,810
I've been on many Air Force paces and an

2677
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:24,130
army bases and that is what whatever it

2678
02:20:31,710 --> 02:20:27,520
is whether it's OSI civil investigations

2679
02:20:34,340 --> 02:20:31,720
all of those military police buildings

2680
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:34,350
are very Stalin desk they stand out

2681
02:20:42,359 --> 02:20:38,409
stand down I should say yes and he took

2682
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:42,369
me down a corridor and he had a key we

2683
02:20:45,870 --> 02:20:43,930
had first way to go through the locked

2684
02:20:47,639 --> 02:20:45,880
doors with the buzzer you know and then

2685
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:47,649
the door opens and clicks shut behind

2686
02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:51,010
you like a bank vault took me down to

2687
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:54,430
this little room the rooms were marked

2688
02:21:00,120 --> 02:20:56,409
alphabetically and it took me down the

2689
02:21:02,219 --> 02:21:00,130
room D and he opened the door and said

2690
02:21:04,019 --> 02:21:02,229
someone will be right with you and he

2691
02:21:06,929 --> 02:21:04,029
shut the door and I knew it was locked

2692
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:06,939
and in this in this room there were

2693
02:21:12,300 --> 02:21:09,520
three those fiberglass molded plastic

2694
02:21:17,099 --> 02:21:12,310
chairs they made in the 60s and like a

2695
02:21:20,969 --> 02:21:17,109
1950's vintage military steel desk with

2696
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:20,979
a heavy padded chair and there was a

2697
02:21:24,990 --> 02:21:23,170
two-way mirror there was a I didn't go

2698
02:21:27,149 --> 02:21:25,000
and cut my hands and look through it but

2699
02:21:28,410 --> 02:21:27,159
I remember thinking nobody's going to be

2700
02:21:30,210 --> 02:21:28,420
grooming themselves in this

2701
02:21:31,620 --> 02:21:30,220
interrogation room that's that that's

2702
02:21:33,929 --> 02:21:31,630
got to be what that's for

2703
02:21:39,420 --> 02:21:33,939
it was a clock on the wall and that was

2704
02:21:42,450 --> 02:21:39,430
it little glass window and I sat down it

2705
02:21:44,939 --> 02:21:42,460
was little after 9:00 and it was a

2706
02:21:47,849 --> 02:21:44,949
little after 10:00 and then it was a

2707
02:21:50,069 --> 02:21:47,859
little after 11:00 and I was so thankful

2708
02:21:53,550 --> 02:21:50,079
I made that stop the bathroom for our

2709
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:53,560
left and around noon

2710
02:22:02,069 --> 02:21:57,010
here comes agent Gregory and the captain

2711
02:22:05,460 --> 02:22:02,079
and the guy opens the door for them and

2712
02:22:06,059 --> 02:22:05,470
they come in and the NSA word to me at

2713
02:22:10,939 --> 02:22:06,069
first

2714
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:10,949
clearly ignore me they're talking about

2715
02:22:17,969 --> 02:22:16,479
golf and he made me of course he made me

2716
02:22:19,650 --> 02:22:17,979
get out of the heavy padded chair and

2717
02:22:24,540 --> 02:22:19,660
sitting one of the uncomfortable ones

2718
02:22:26,690 --> 02:22:24,550
and he said and the captain setting up

2719
02:22:29,340 --> 02:22:26,700
his little real real tape recorder and

2720
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:29,350
he said why do you have any film for me

2721
02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:32,290
son and I said no sir I don't have any

2722
02:22:35,969 --> 02:22:34,330
film for you I didn't take any kid

2723
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:35,979
pictures I didn't take a camera there

2724
02:22:41,550 --> 02:22:38,530
and he says well it doesn't matter much

2725
02:22:44,250 --> 02:22:41,560
today he says we're my just wrap this up

2726
02:22:45,770 --> 02:22:44,260
today would you like that and I said yes

2727
02:22:47,700 --> 02:22:45,780
sir I'd like that very much

2728
02:22:51,570 --> 02:22:47,710
and he says well you know you're gonna

2729
02:22:54,510 --> 02:22:51,580
be hypnotized today and I said what I'm

2730
02:22:55,950 --> 02:22:54,520
gonna be hypnotized he says yeah yeah

2731
02:22:58,290 --> 02:22:55,960
they're going to give you a little

2732
02:23:01,920 --> 02:22:58,300
medication and they're gonna ask you

2733
02:23:05,070 --> 02:23:01,930
some questions and I said sir but why'd

2734
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,080
as soon as I said that word why he

2735
02:23:10,350 --> 02:23:08,080
pulled the sheet out from that manila

2736
02:23:12,300 --> 02:23:10,360
folder and slams it on a desk in front

2737
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:12,310
of me and said this is all the why I

2738
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:17,920
need son you signed it oh yeah yep no

2739
02:23:25,050 --> 02:23:20,399
idea what I'd signed I'd say and it was

2740
02:23:26,910 --> 02:23:25,060
captioned consent hypnotic regression

2741
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:26,920
with chemical enhancements something

2742
02:23:33,870 --> 02:23:31,090
along those lines and I said sir but I

2743
02:23:35,700 --> 02:23:33,880
don't understand why and and he said

2744
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:35,710
that same line he says well I can tear

2745
02:23:39,660 --> 02:23:37,090
these up you want to rescind your

2746
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:39,670
cooperation I'll just tear these up and

2747
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:41,439
we'll see a court-martial that's the

2748
02:23:48,719 --> 02:23:46,090
threat and it worked it worked it worked

2749
02:23:50,370 --> 02:23:48,729
for me it would work for me I'm I'm cool

2750
02:23:54,750 --> 02:23:50,380
oh think give me the drugs us do the

2751
02:23:59,210 --> 02:23:54,760
hypnosis that beats prison yeah right

2752
02:24:01,469 --> 02:23:59,220
and this major knocks on the door and

2753
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:01,479
the captain leans over and opens the

2754
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:03,850
door for him and it comes in and he's

2755
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:06,640
carrying like a sheeting kit under his

2756
02:24:13,530 --> 02:24:11,530
arm Oh like a leather little kit and he

2757
02:24:15,810 --> 02:24:13,540
talks to the two guy to the two agents

2758
02:24:17,610 --> 02:24:15,820
to Gregory to cap that about fishing I

2759
02:24:19,950 --> 02:24:17,620
guess he didn't golf and they're they're

2760
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:19,960
having a little conversation and he

2761
02:24:24,810 --> 02:24:22,450
ignored me you know at first and then he

2762
02:24:26,310 --> 02:24:24,820
pulls the chair he gets he makes Gregory

2763
02:24:28,969 --> 02:24:26,320
get out of the comfortable chair and he

2764
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:28,979
commandeer sand and rolls it over and

2765
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:31,930
scoops right encroaches in my personal

2766
02:24:36,590 --> 02:24:33,250
space gets right up neck

2767
02:24:42,030 --> 02:24:36,600
to be and he's a big barrel-chested

2768
02:24:46,380 --> 02:24:42,040
sandy-haired guy with oak leaves but no

2769
02:24:49,020 --> 02:24:46,390
name tag and he sits down next to me he

2770
02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:49,030
got this great big smile and he shakes

2771
02:24:54,330 --> 02:24:51,490
my hand and he says sergeant uh blaze

2772
02:24:59,040 --> 02:24:54,340
it's so good to finally meet you how are

2773
02:25:03,000 --> 02:24:59,050
you and I said I'm good sir he says

2774
02:25:04,820 --> 02:25:03,010
don't sir he says listen for today's for

2775
02:25:08,370 --> 02:25:04,830
the purpose of today's a little exercise

2776
02:25:12,930 --> 02:25:08,380
why don't you call me Brad that is my

2777
02:25:17,160 --> 02:25:12,940
name and at that point that's creepy

2778
02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:17,170
and I said yes sir Annie he chided me

2779
02:25:25,650 --> 02:25:22,240
and said don't you mean yes Brad and I

2780
02:25:27,300 --> 02:25:25,660
said yes Brad and he said what and for

2781
02:25:30,810 --> 02:25:27,310
purposes of today's little exercise may

2782
02:25:35,940 --> 02:25:30,820
I call you Terry is just creeping me out

2783
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:35,950
man this is just creeping me out okay

2784
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:42,010
continue oh man I said yes and then he

2785
02:25:46,650 --> 02:25:44,890
started a conversation of just routine

2786
02:25:49,290 --> 02:25:46,660
small talk he asked me where I was from

2787
02:25:50,910 --> 02:25:49,300
I told him some st. Louis I rattle off

2788
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:50,920
some landmarks he rattle off some

2789
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:53,370
landmarks didn't he Terry

2790
02:26:01,860 --> 02:25:56,170
refresh my memory didn't he say don't

2791
02:26:04,410 --> 02:26:01,870
you trust me yes man yes yeah that was

2792
02:26:06,270 --> 02:26:04,420
right after right after we go through

2793
02:26:08,190 --> 02:26:06,280
all this little chitchat and it's worth

2794
02:26:09,870 --> 02:26:08,200
like he read my mind cuz I begin

2795
02:26:14,370 --> 02:26:09,880
thinking you know I'm just not all that

2796
02:26:16,980 --> 02:26:14,380
interesting and he shifts gears and

2797
02:26:20,430 --> 02:26:16,990
takes on a real sombre effect and says

2798
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:20,440
Terry I know we've only just met but do

2799
02:26:33,680 --> 02:26:26,370
you trust me and I gave him the you know

2800
02:26:36,420 --> 02:26:33,690
untruthful answer yes Brad I trust you

2801
02:26:40,320 --> 02:26:36,430
and he's this good that's good that you

2802
02:26:41,940 --> 02:26:40,330
trust me and he says well today we're

2803
02:26:45,090 --> 02:26:41,950
going to give you a little medication

2804
02:26:46,530 --> 02:26:45,100
and it's gonna help you relax and it's

2805
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,540
going to help your memory and

2806
02:26:51,090 --> 02:26:48,880
a little shaving kit and he lays out a

2807
02:26:52,770 --> 02:26:51,100
little towel and there's a syringe I

2808
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:52,780
have a doughnut syringe with a with a

2809
02:27:01,410 --> 02:26:56,800
yellow fluid in it some alcohol swabs a

2810
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,420
bandage yellow two rubber tubing rubber

2811
02:27:08,360 --> 02:27:03,280
tubing yeah we have two rubber tubing

2812
02:27:14,220 --> 02:27:08,370
and he's humming and he reached over and

2813
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:14,230
unbuttons my my sleeve of my shirt

2814
02:27:20,460 --> 02:27:16,450
starts to roll my sleeve up and stops

2815
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:20,470
and says Terry you know what we don't

2816
02:27:26,880 --> 02:27:23,050
really have to do this today you know

2817
02:27:28,770 --> 02:27:26,890
what we could do if you left something

2818
02:27:31,650 --> 02:27:28,780
out of your report or there's something

2819
02:27:34,620 --> 02:27:31,660
you want to change we can fix it now

2820
02:27:38,310 --> 02:27:34,630
then it won't be any trouble would you

2821
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:38,320
like to do that and I said sir I don't I

2822
02:27:43,440 --> 02:27:40,690
don't know what you mean and he said I

2823
02:27:45,780 --> 02:27:43,450
can ask these two gentlemen here to step

2824
02:27:46,830 --> 02:27:45,790
outside and me and you can have a little

2825
02:27:51,570 --> 02:27:46,840
chat Oh

2826
02:27:55,410 --> 02:27:51,580
what do you say hmm and the agent stood

2827
02:27:57,780 --> 02:27:55,420
up and I said sir I don't I told the

2828
02:28:00,150 --> 02:27:57,790
agents everything I know and the agent

2829
02:28:05,420 --> 02:28:00,160
said that now and he rolled up my sleeve

2830
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:05,430
and put this tourniquet on my arm and

2831
02:28:11,490 --> 02:28:09,280
this just bizarre he he complimented me

2832
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:11,500
on my veins he says my you have good

2833
02:28:18,420 --> 02:28:14,890
things this is gonna be no problem at

2834
02:28:19,860 --> 02:28:18,430
all you know this won't hurt it made the

2835
02:28:21,450 --> 02:28:19,870
comment you know Terry it'll be like

2836
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:21,460
having a couple beers you look like a

2837
02:28:25,620 --> 02:28:23,290
guy who likes to have a few beers on the

2838
02:28:27,060 --> 02:28:25,630
weekend and I thought you jerk you know

2839
02:28:31,800 --> 02:28:27,070
you know what do you think all enlisted

2840
02:28:33,660 --> 02:28:31,810
people drink you know let's you know now

2841
02:28:37,950 --> 02:28:33,670
we're gonna be headed towards a break

2842
02:28:40,110 --> 02:28:37,960
here and when we come back we'll discuss

2843
02:28:43,530 --> 02:28:40,120
everything that happened in this session

2844
02:28:46,950 --> 02:28:43,540
but there was something that stood out

2845
02:28:51,320 --> 02:28:46,960
in the book for me that I have been

2846
02:28:54,300 --> 02:28:51,330
wanting to ask you about at this point

2847
02:28:58,950 --> 02:28:54,310
Gregory I believe it was Gregory one of

2848
02:29:00,300 --> 02:28:58,960
the two agents Gregory says something to

2849
02:29:03,660 --> 02:29:00,310
the effect

2850
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:03,670
oh man this is so cool I love it when we

2851
02:29:09,649 --> 02:29:06,010
do this I I could have the wording wrong

2852
02:29:15,540 --> 02:29:09,659
it doesn't matter but but at that point

2853
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:15,550
it's suggesting that Gregory has done

2854
02:29:22,920 --> 02:29:19,439
these types of sessions with

2855
02:29:26,639 --> 02:29:22,930
experiencers right with people that

2856
02:29:28,590 --> 02:29:26,649
that's that's what I get out of this and

2857
02:29:31,410 --> 02:29:28,600
actually it wasn't regular it was the

2858
02:29:34,380 --> 02:29:31,420
captain and what he said was he said

2859
02:29:37,290 --> 02:29:34,390
they're whispering and and I could hear

2860
02:29:39,929 --> 02:29:37,300
them and and he said I'm amazed every

2861
02:29:45,660 --> 02:29:39,939
time I see this right right right right

2862
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:45,670
and so so they're doing these UFO you

2863
02:29:51,540 --> 02:29:47,680
know correct me if I'm wrong but they're

2864
02:29:54,780 --> 02:29:51,550
doing these UFO sessions quite often

2865
02:29:58,649 --> 02:29:54,790
that's what I get out of it had to be

2866
02:30:00,840 --> 02:29:58,659
right they can't do this to everyone who

2867
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:00,850
sees a UFO and then I thought well my

2868
02:30:07,019 --> 02:30:02,409
experience was actually a little more

2869
02:30:09,389 --> 02:30:07,029
intimate but you know and I don't know

2870
02:30:13,740 --> 02:30:09,399
if I have time to get this out and

2871
02:30:15,689 --> 02:30:13,750
understood but I made my mind up I was

2872
02:30:18,750 --> 02:30:15,699
determined that I was not going to be

2873
02:30:20,639 --> 02:30:18,760
hip with the eyes and I knew I I had

2874
02:30:23,099 --> 02:30:20,649
been taking psychology classes part-time

2875
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:23,109
for two years now and I knew a little

2876
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,359
bit about hypnosis and I had seen stage

2877
02:30:29,939 --> 02:30:27,760
hypnosis and I knew that you know how

2878
02:30:33,689 --> 02:30:29,949
people react kind of robotic ly and

2879
02:30:37,170 --> 02:30:33,699
relaxed and I was determined I was not

2880
02:30:40,170 --> 02:30:37,180
gonna let this guy hypnotize me but I

2881
02:30:42,590 --> 02:30:40,180
knew that I had to appear compliant well

2882
02:30:47,580 --> 02:30:42,600
not now the drug concerned me because I

2883
02:30:50,460 --> 02:30:47,590
could resist the the hypnosis but the

2884
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:50,470
drug I had no power over and there are

2885
02:30:58,130 --> 02:30:53,680
there are spaces where I had have no

2886
02:31:01,530 --> 02:30:58,140
memory but what I did was he this major

2887
02:31:05,550 --> 02:31:01,540
said and he had this smooth voice like a

2888
02:31:07,769 --> 02:31:05,560
radio announcer and he says okay Terry

2889
02:31:10,920 --> 02:31:07,779
now you still trust me

2890
02:31:13,070 --> 02:31:10,930
yes Brad and he says okay when should

2891
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:13,080
sit back close your eyes

2892
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:14,850
you know and then he gave me the

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injection and then he says you know I

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thought this flush warm all over me and

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02:31:25,870 --> 02:31:23,040
I really did feel sedated I thought I

2896
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felt sedated and I'm fighting to keep

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02:31:32,030 --> 02:31:29,300
conscious and to keep my wits about me

2898
02:31:35,301 --> 02:31:32,040
the last thing I'm gonna do is surrender

2899
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:35,311
my mind at the sky right I'm gonna

2900
02:31:41,480 --> 02:31:39,090
resist this with everything I got and he

2901
02:31:43,551 --> 02:31:41,490
had me sister we're gonna go down Terry

2902
02:31:45,350 --> 02:31:43,561
I want you to imagine stairs just a

2903
02:31:48,020 --> 02:31:45,360
stairwell can you see it in your mind

2904
02:31:49,850 --> 02:31:48,030
it's ten stairs and it goes down to a

2905
02:31:52,011 --> 02:31:49,860
basement can you see it you're gonna

2906
02:31:54,410 --> 02:31:52,021
take the first step now you're going

2907
02:31:57,170 --> 02:31:54,420
down feeling relaxed taking the next

2908
02:31:58,730 --> 02:31:57,180
step feeling ten times more relaxed and

2909
02:32:00,590 --> 02:31:58,740
doing that kind of thing and I'm

2910
02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:00,600
thinking you know what I'll go backward

2911
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:02,880
on the number line you know he's going

2912
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:06,720
down I'll go up you know so I'm counting

2913
02:32:12,170 --> 02:32:09,690
you know backward Tim know and

2914
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:12,180
visualizing myself coming out of the

2915
02:32:19,670 --> 02:32:17,130
basement instead of going down and he

2916
02:32:21,770 --> 02:32:19,680
gets to this point he goes through this

2917
02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:21,780
long thing about feeling relaxed and

2918
02:32:26,960 --> 02:32:24,330
having me relaxed different parts of my

2919
02:32:30,290 --> 02:32:26,970
body and what I did was I flexed and

2920
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:30,300
tensed my buttocks parts of my body that

2921
02:32:36,650 --> 02:32:33,840
I could tense without without it being

2922
02:32:38,511 --> 02:32:36,660
noticed just everything I could to

2923
02:32:43,370 --> 02:32:38,521
resist this guy and was just

2924
02:32:44,990 --> 02:32:43,380
surrendering him my mind and I I did

2925
02:32:47,090 --> 02:32:45,000
multiplication tables in my head I

2926
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:47,100
played beautiful songs in my hair over

2927
02:32:55,310 --> 02:32:53,130
and over again and did it work yeah yeah

2928
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:55,320
and we're gonna talk about that when we

2929
02:33:01,011 --> 02:32:58,010
come back after this break with an

2930
02:33:03,290 --> 02:33:01,021
amazing conversation tonight Terry and

2931
02:33:04,610 --> 02:33:03,300
thank you for sharing all of this stay

2932
02:33:07,011 --> 02:33:04,620
right there we're gonna be doing

2933
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overtime with Terry Lovelace for

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02:33:10,940 --> 02:33:09,630
discussing his book incident at Devil's

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Den I'm heroes Timmy church

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this is fade to black stay with us thank

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you so much for this Terry

2938
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we'll be right back stay with us

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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kera radio.com this is kjc our Jimmy

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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your Jimmy Church heading into some

3022
02:37:51,690 --> 02:37:48,730
overtime with our guest tonight

3023
02:37:54,570 --> 02:37:51,700
Terry Lovelace discussing his book and

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it's an incredible read incident at

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Devil's Den the links for the book are

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over at Jimmy Church radio.com and at

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Terry I do want to thank you in advance

3028
02:38:10,260 --> 02:38:06,040
for for this conversation tonight and

3029
02:38:12,360 --> 02:38:10,270
where this leads now I'm gonna help you

3030
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:12,370
along a little bit because at the

3031
02:38:20,820 --> 02:38:18,250
beginning of the session you you go over

3032
02:38:23,850 --> 02:38:20,830
you're still you think you're in control

3033
02:38:29,790 --> 02:38:23,860
by the way in reading the book I'm not

3034
02:38:31,410 --> 02:38:29,800
so sure but you go through everything

3035
02:38:33,900 --> 02:38:31,420
with Toby

3036
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:33,910
and and you describe how you got to the

3037
02:38:40,320 --> 02:38:36,730
campsite again leading questions coming

3038
02:38:43,170 --> 02:38:40,330
from Brad because they apparently know

3039
02:38:45,900 --> 02:38:43,180
everything there is something that I

3040
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:45,910
wanted to ask you that isn't in the book

3041
02:38:52,470 --> 02:38:49,840
do you think that they have already now

3042
02:38:54,900 --> 02:38:52,480
looking back in hindsight did did they

3043
02:38:59,250 --> 02:38:54,910
get this information from Toby did they

3044
02:39:02,070 --> 02:38:59,260
already interrogate Toby that's a

3045
02:39:05,070 --> 02:39:02,080
question I would love to have answered I

3046
02:39:07,980 --> 02:39:05,080
don't know right well I don't think so

3047
02:39:11,130 --> 02:39:07,990
but I don't know you know that bucket of

3048
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:11,140
pills those pills I don't know what kind

3049
02:39:15,090 --> 02:39:13,210
of mental condition that put him in like

3050
02:39:18,390 --> 02:39:15,100
I said he was a train wreck when I saw

3051
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:18,400
him right god knows what he told these

3052
02:39:23,580 --> 02:39:21,610
guys so and and and I could see the

3053
02:39:25,410 --> 02:39:23,590
reason why they separated us you know

3054
02:39:28,860 --> 02:39:25,420
they didn't want us to get together and

3055
02:39:31,650 --> 02:39:28,870
say you know get your stories right

3056
02:39:35,310 --> 02:39:31,660
right right right right absolutely so

3057
02:39:39,870 --> 02:39:35,320
okay so back to the session so you go

3058
02:39:40,890 --> 02:39:39,880
through setting up how you guys got

3059
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:40,900
there

3060
02:39:52,020 --> 02:39:47,770
so forth but then they get to I want to

3061
02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:52,030
pick up here they get to the lights in

3062
02:39:55,680 --> 02:39:54,640
the sky they know about the stars right

3063
02:39:58,290 --> 02:39:55,690
they know about the light

3064
02:40:01,020 --> 02:39:58,300
and I find that very compelling very

3065
02:40:04,460 --> 02:40:01,030
interesting and so I want to pick up

3066
02:40:10,170 --> 02:40:04,470
there because immediately after that you

3067
02:40:12,091 --> 02:40:10,180
go into your childhood and that's where

3068
02:40:14,551 --> 02:40:12,101
I want to lead up to so they start

3069
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:14,561
asking you about the lights in the sky

3070
02:40:19,290 --> 02:40:17,170
then you describe the craft coming down

3071
02:40:22,860 --> 02:40:19,300
so let's let's pick up there I want to

3072
02:40:26,700 --> 02:40:22,870
try to get as much in before we wrap in

3073
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:26,710
the next 15 minutes yes and Toby's name

3074
02:40:33,631 --> 02:40:30,250
was mentioned yes yes it was because any

3075
02:40:37,051 --> 02:40:33,641
interrogation but Brad said you and you

3076
02:40:39,780 --> 02:40:37,061
and Toby you saw some lights in the sky

3077
02:40:42,570 --> 02:40:39,790
didn't you but they weren't lights were

3078
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:42,580
they Terry Werth they were stars were

3079
02:40:48,631 --> 02:40:46,570
they and he was big now look I want you

3080
02:40:49,860 --> 02:40:48,641
to look in your mind's eye and tell me

3081
02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:49,870
what you see

3082
02:40:53,700 --> 02:40:51,760
you know don't give me your opinion or

3083
02:40:55,801 --> 02:40:53,710
what you think tell me what you see and

3084
02:41:01,440 --> 02:40:55,811
we'll step in The effect of this drug

3085
02:41:03,060 --> 02:41:01,450
because I I had images that come to mind

3086
02:41:05,551 --> 02:41:03,070
that I don't know where they come from

3087
02:41:09,180 --> 02:41:05,561
but but yeah he said you know they

3088
02:41:12,750 --> 02:41:09,190
weren't stars were they and I said no

3089
02:41:15,780 --> 02:41:12,760
Brad they weren't and he says well who

3090
02:41:18,530 --> 02:41:15,790
were they Jerry tell me who were they

3091
02:41:21,660 --> 02:41:18,540
and I said they were the space people

3092
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:21,670
and I I felt like somebody smacked me in

3093
02:41:27,390 --> 02:41:23,920
the face I thought what had come out of

3094
02:41:28,320 --> 02:41:27,400
my mouth what what you know where did

3095
02:41:34,591 --> 02:41:28,330
that come from

3096
02:41:36,720 --> 02:41:34,601
and I realized that I'm without thinking

3097
02:41:42,930 --> 02:41:36,730
I'm answering some of these questions

3098
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:42,940
and it must be must be the the drug that

3099
02:41:46,620 --> 02:41:44,800
they gave me because I certainly did

3100
02:41:50,910 --> 02:41:46,630
everything I could to resist the

3101
02:41:55,290 --> 02:41:50,920
hypnosis and like you said I I think it

3102
02:41:58,620 --> 02:41:55,300
was not a failed hypnosis but a faulty

3103
02:42:00,690 --> 02:41:58,630
hypno salty right all right and you know

3104
02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:00,700
what it did was it brought back all of

3105
02:42:08,520 --> 02:42:02,610
these memories it brought back memories

3106
02:42:12,350 --> 02:42:08,530
from my childhood because he asked me

3107
02:42:17,010 --> 02:42:12,360
about the monkey man and when I was

3108
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:17,020
eight years old I had terrifying

3109
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:19,930
nightmares about these four little

3110
02:42:28,020 --> 02:42:22,450
monkeys that would come into my room at

3111
02:42:29,490 --> 02:42:28,030
night and they were it was always the

3112
02:42:32,700 --> 02:42:29,500
same they would come in and form a

3113
02:42:37,560 --> 02:42:32,710
semicircle around my bed with my back to

3114
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:37,570
the wall and they this is I know I but

3115
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:40,810
they all wore white masks with this big

3116
02:42:48,540 --> 02:42:44,650
broad smile painted on them and they had

3117
02:42:52,410 --> 02:42:48,550
yellow eyes and long tails and they were

3118
02:42:53,460 --> 02:42:52,420
like look like circus monkeys and one

3119
02:42:55,440 --> 02:42:53,470
closest to me

3120
02:42:57,480 --> 02:42:55,450
we're always talked to me but his lips

3121
02:43:01,140 --> 02:42:57,490
never moved but I heard him in my head

3122
02:43:04,890 --> 02:43:01,150
and he would say Carrie won't you come

3123
02:43:06,750 --> 02:43:04,900
with us come with us and play and I

3124
02:43:09,240 --> 02:43:06,760
remember thinking a couple times did I

3125
02:43:12,870 --> 02:43:09,250
go within the Horde have I done this

3126
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:12,880
before and he would hold out a paw and

3127
02:43:18,210 --> 02:43:15,760
say come with us Terry and I would

3128
02:43:21,660 --> 02:43:18,220
scream bloody murder and these things

3129
02:43:25,290 --> 02:43:21,670
would just go - shadows in the wall and

3130
02:43:29,130 --> 02:43:25,300
be gone but one of the most horrific

3131
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:29,140
nightmares that I have is I'm in that

3132
02:43:34,470 --> 02:43:31,600
situation I'm eight years old I'm in bed

3133
02:43:38,220 --> 02:43:34,480
the monkeys come in the room the one

3134
02:43:40,950 --> 02:43:38,230
closest to me holds out his paw and I

3135
02:43:43,950 --> 02:43:40,960
look and it's not a paw it's this hand

3136
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:43,960
with these four long fingers and for

3137
02:43:49,080 --> 02:43:46,960
some reason well when I see that in my

3138
02:43:53,100 --> 02:43:49,090
dream that that that's the point where I

3139
02:43:58,620 --> 02:43:53,110
scream because that just just freaks me

3140
02:44:03,500 --> 02:43:58,630
out and Brad Brad connected the monkey

3141
02:44:07,770 --> 02:44:03,510
man to you and Toby in the meadow

3142
02:44:10,620 --> 02:44:07,780
somehow yes someone yes you know the

3143
02:44:12,780 --> 02:44:10,630
space people right right yeah does he

3144
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:12,790
kept asking about the space people and I

3145
02:44:16,890 --> 02:44:14,770
said it's the monkey man and that's what

3146
02:44:20,490 --> 02:44:16,900
he wanted to know who the monkey men

3147
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:20,500
were again stuff from when I was a

3148
02:44:27,340 --> 02:44:22,240
little kid

3149
02:44:32,410 --> 02:44:27,350
she knew way more about me then I had

3150
02:44:38,500 --> 02:44:32,420
any idea right and was was this group of

3151
02:44:41,559 --> 02:44:38,510
three were they trying to make you feel

3152
02:44:45,460 --> 02:44:41,569
comfortable you know to keep you moving

3153
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:45,470
forward in in in your disclosing not

3154
02:44:50,769 --> 02:44:47,330
only your childhood but what is good

3155
02:44:52,840 --> 02:44:50,779
they were encouraging you yes the two

3156
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:52,850
agents were they trying to be your

3157
02:44:59,230 --> 02:44:56,090
friend is what I'm getting at the major

3158
02:45:01,630 --> 02:44:59,240
did yeah gave this major all the

3159
02:45:02,950 --> 02:45:01,640
difference in the world and scooted

3160
02:45:05,590 --> 02:45:02,960
their chairs back because I can hear I'm

3161
02:45:08,290 --> 02:45:05,600
screwed on the concrete no I'm I'm you

3162
02:45:10,210 --> 02:45:08,300
know like a posture where my head's on

3163
02:45:11,889 --> 02:45:10,220
my chest because I'm supposed to be

3164
02:45:16,059 --> 02:45:11,899
hypnotized and I'm thinking that's the

3165
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:16,069
posture to take and Brad keeps telling

3166
02:45:23,769 --> 02:45:19,010
me you know in your mind's eye tell me

3167
02:45:26,320 --> 02:45:23,779
what you see Terry and he said we're

3168
02:45:29,139 --> 02:45:26,330
gonna go back to the campground Gerry

3169
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:29,149
and when you were in the tent you saw

3170
02:45:34,900 --> 02:45:32,720
some lights didn't you and he says think

3171
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:34,910
about it and tell me what you see

3172
02:45:40,900 --> 02:45:37,760
and then I could see it I could see it

3173
02:45:46,269 --> 02:45:40,910
is crystal clear as if I were watching a

3174
02:45:51,400 --> 02:45:46,279
movie and they took us out of the tent

3175
02:45:55,059 --> 02:45:51,410
and I was inside this triangle and it

3176
02:45:57,300 --> 02:45:55,069
was it was more enormous looking from

3177
02:46:01,570 --> 02:45:57,310
the inside than it was from the outside

3178
02:46:06,580 --> 02:46:01,580
and I recall everything was stainless

3179
02:46:09,790 --> 02:46:06,590
steel and white and I think I told Brad

3180
02:46:12,820 --> 02:46:09,800
- there were three flying saucers there

3181
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:12,830
were fleas three saucers parked at a

3182
02:46:20,650 --> 02:46:15,200
neat little row like like planes on

3183
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:20,660
below a carrier deck and we were being

3184
02:46:28,840 --> 02:46:25,130
herded around by these by the little

3185
02:46:32,980 --> 02:46:28,850
gray guys and there was a guy in charge

3186
02:46:35,290 --> 02:46:32,990
a taller alien more humanoid but gray

3187
02:46:40,500 --> 02:46:35,300
still guy

3188
02:46:43,059 --> 02:46:40,510
who appeared to be in church and I

3189
02:46:46,030 --> 02:46:43,069
caught my attention for some reason and

3190
02:46:48,460 --> 02:46:46,040
I turn and I looked at him and at the

3191
02:46:52,679 --> 02:46:48,470
moment I looked at him he turned and

3192
02:46:58,120 --> 02:46:52,689
looked at me and and we locked eyes and

3193
02:47:01,469 --> 02:46:58,130
it was the most terrifying thing you

3194
02:47:04,260 --> 02:47:01,479
could imagine I immediately felt naked I

3195
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:04,270
felt like he knew everything in my mind

3196
02:47:12,429 --> 02:47:09,200
he knew my secrets he knew my childhood

3197
02:47:17,860 --> 02:47:12,439
he knew my white everything in my head

3198
02:47:21,400 --> 02:47:17,870
he knew in an instant and I could just

3199
02:47:23,770 --> 02:47:21,410
in those eyes you know when I look at my

3200
02:47:25,570 --> 02:47:23,780
dog's eyes well my cat's eyes I can see

3201
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:25,580
you know love and trust behind those

3202
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:29,840
eyes and behind these eyes it was just

3203
02:47:35,500 --> 02:47:32,210
intellect now I don't know how I could

3204
02:47:40,500 --> 02:47:35,510
tell that but it was it just was just

3205
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:40,510
pure intellect you also described

3206
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:43,310
different types of beings at this point

3207
02:47:52,179 --> 02:47:49,130
some were taller and tell me about that

3208
02:47:56,820 --> 02:47:52,189
and it was a pretty large group too as

3209
02:48:00,400 --> 02:47:56,830
well and I think you saw humans right

3210
02:48:03,460 --> 02:48:00,410
yes I saw two groups of humans and that

3211
02:48:05,260 --> 02:48:03,470
troubles me to this day and maybe that's

3212
02:48:07,349 --> 02:48:05,270
survivor's guilt or you know I don't

3213
02:48:09,700 --> 02:48:07,359
know what happened to these people but

3214
02:48:14,980 --> 02:48:09,710
Jimmy this is hard to believe but there

3215
02:48:16,360 --> 02:48:14,990
were 50 people now various ages there

3216
02:48:18,700 --> 02:48:16,370
were children there were men there were

3217
02:48:21,400 --> 02:48:18,710
women they were black or white there was

3218
02:48:23,530 --> 02:48:21,410
just a crowd a mixed crowd of people and

3219
02:48:26,380 --> 02:48:23,540
they were all like me and they were all

3220
02:48:29,469 --> 02:48:26,390
we're all standing there and we're

3221
02:48:30,700 --> 02:48:29,479
waiting our turn and some are new to

3222
02:48:34,290 --> 02:48:30,710
holding your clothes

3223
02:48:38,010 --> 02:48:34,300
what do you mean waiting their turn they

3224
02:48:42,790 --> 02:48:38,020
they were taking us there was this

3225
02:48:45,400 --> 02:48:42,800
insect looking thing that was over six

3226
02:48:48,460 --> 02:48:45,410
feet tall that was almost praying

3227
02:48:51,860 --> 02:48:48,470
mantis-like with the big eyes bye guys

3228
02:48:55,219 --> 02:48:51,870
not in my mind I picture this being

3229
02:48:58,820 --> 02:48:55,229
we're in a white lab coat now I know

3230
02:49:03,170 --> 02:48:58,830
that's probably not real but that's how

3231
02:49:07,490 --> 02:49:03,180
I picture him mm-hmm and I remember I

3232
02:49:10,010 --> 02:49:07,500
heard Toby screaming and then that just

3233
02:49:12,679 --> 02:49:10,020
filled me with dread and then after that

3234
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:12,689
a woman was screaming and her scream I

3235
02:49:20,110 --> 02:49:15,210
hear in my nightmares this war lynches

3236
02:49:24,740 --> 02:49:20,120
me and then the gray guys took me and

3237
02:49:29,000 --> 02:49:24,750
then well I know I'm new and I'm seeing

3238
02:49:31,130 --> 02:49:29,010
this play out in front of Brad and there

3239
02:49:35,929 --> 02:49:31,140
are parts in this where I see things

3240
02:49:38,030 --> 02:49:35,939
that I didn't recall he dredged all this

3241
02:49:41,810 --> 02:49:38,040
up from my subconscious or from

3242
02:49:47,929 --> 02:49:41,820
somewhere and I get at least two points

3243
02:49:52,460 --> 02:49:47,939
I screamed and fainted or passed out but

3244
02:49:54,560 --> 02:49:52,470
the big insect like looking thing they I

3245
02:49:57,860 --> 02:49:54,570
was on the stainless steel table and I

3246
02:50:04,490 --> 02:49:57,870
fill my lungs with air and scream and

3247
02:50:08,740 --> 02:50:04,500
nothing would come out there is another

3248
02:50:11,480 --> 02:50:08,750
part and and the book is very detailed

3249
02:50:15,469 --> 02:50:11,490
everyone you've got to get the book we

3250
02:50:19,219 --> 02:50:15,479
are literally just these are just little

3251
02:50:21,890 --> 02:50:19,229
snippets of of the story it's it's done

3252
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:21,900
in great detail but there was something

3253
02:50:32,360 --> 02:50:27,600
here that spoke to me about military our

3254
02:50:38,810 --> 02:50:32,370
military because you describe the some

3255
02:50:42,310 --> 02:50:38,820
of these humans wearing uniforms and

3256
02:50:44,870 --> 02:50:42,320
they were crew members on this ship

3257
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:44,880
absolutely absolutely no doubt in my

3258
02:50:52,570 --> 02:50:47,130
mind they were dressed in tan flight

3259
02:50:58,360 --> 02:50:52,580
suits right had orange round orange

3260
02:51:01,460 --> 02:50:58,370
insignias on their on their shoulder and

3261
02:51:02,180 --> 02:51:01,470
I remember orange stripes wear a nametag

3262
02:51:05,301 --> 02:51:02,190
with

3263
02:51:06,980 --> 02:51:05,311
I wish I could visualize what was on

3264
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:06,990
that patch I would love to know what

3265
02:51:12,650 --> 02:51:10,080
that hat says well you're a human you're

3266
02:51:15,860 --> 02:51:12,660
there you're abducted yeah you're

3267
02:51:17,841 --> 02:51:15,870
screaming you're terrified tear Toby's

3268
02:51:23,831 --> 02:51:17,851
freaking out you've got a woman there

3269
02:51:27,230 --> 02:51:23,841
also screaming these humans in uniform

3270
02:51:30,591 --> 02:51:27,240
did they care did they try to help you

3271
02:51:35,150 --> 02:51:30,601
or were they I mean artists would not

3272
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:35,160
make eye contact with me would not know

3273
02:51:39,801 --> 02:51:37,200
absolutely the it was like we didn't

3274
02:51:41,411 --> 02:51:39,811
exist and there was no doubt that these

3275
02:51:46,220 --> 02:51:41,421
were crew members because this one guy

3276
02:51:51,560 --> 02:51:46,230
and there was a there was a woman too a

3277
02:51:53,841 --> 02:51:51,570
young Hispanic looking woman also but

3278
02:51:55,640 --> 02:51:53,851
this one guy was working on like a panel

3279
02:51:58,671 --> 02:51:55,650
that looked like a breaker box or

3280
02:52:04,970 --> 02:51:58,681
something so there's no question these

3281
02:52:07,341 --> 02:52:04,980
were crewmen these were these were these

3282
02:52:12,291 --> 02:52:07,351
were captured people like us right and

3283
02:52:14,690 --> 02:52:12,301
and Gregory's listening to this what did

3284
02:52:16,761 --> 02:52:14,700
he have to say about the human crew

3285
02:52:19,461 --> 02:52:16,771
member because this is what I'm linking

3286
02:52:22,430 --> 02:52:19,471
them they they know right these are

3287
02:52:26,301 --> 02:52:22,440
probably Air Force personnel that are

3288
02:52:29,661 --> 02:52:26,311
that are part of this project is is just

3289
02:52:32,360 --> 02:52:29,671
me going full-on conspiracy but what did

3290
02:52:35,091 --> 02:52:32,370
Gregory have to say about the human crew

3291
02:52:38,511 --> 02:52:35,101
members in uniform there were a couple

3292
02:52:43,251 --> 02:52:38,521
of points and that's one when I

3293
02:52:47,051 --> 02:52:43,261
mentioned that there was a hush and

3294
02:52:51,560 --> 02:52:47,061
discussion and a ruffling of papers and

3295
02:52:53,360 --> 02:52:51,570
Brad said you know you know you lookee

3296
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:53,370
what are you seeing Terry and I told him

3297
02:52:58,030 --> 02:52:54,650
I'm seeing the man with the orange

3298
02:53:01,400 --> 02:52:58,040
shoulder patch and he said okay well

3299
02:53:03,740 --> 02:53:01,410
that didn't happen Terry it did not

3300
02:53:06,680 --> 02:53:03,750
happen there were no there were no

3301
02:53:08,751 --> 02:53:06,690
people there that didn't happen and

3302
02:53:09,501 --> 02:53:08,761
you'll forget about that and you won't

3303
02:53:16,070 --> 02:53:09,511
remember it

3304
02:53:18,540 --> 02:53:16,080
because it didn't happen and and

3305
02:53:19,770 --> 02:53:18,550
they were freaked out by that they did

3306
02:53:21,900 --> 02:53:19,780
they did not like that there were a

3307
02:53:25,559 --> 02:53:21,910
couple of things that struck a nerve

3308
02:53:28,099 --> 02:53:25,569
with them and that was probably and was

3309
02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:28,109
it because do you think that you would

3310
02:53:35,490 --> 02:53:31,510
remember this and repeat this and tell

3311
02:53:38,130 --> 02:53:35,500
the world about this later I mean why

3312
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:38,140
would they have freaked out I mean this

3313
02:53:45,980 --> 02:53:41,920
is secret information right that's yeah

3314
02:53:51,090 --> 02:53:45,990
I mean I think that's that's proof

3315
02:53:54,030 --> 02:53:51,100
collusion elaboration right I mean you

3316
02:53:56,190 --> 02:53:54,040
know we we got guys on that our crew

3317
02:53:57,599 --> 02:53:56,200
members you know I don't know what

3318
02:54:00,660 --> 02:53:57,609
they're American or not I didn't hear

3319
02:54:02,910 --> 02:54:00,670
them talk but you know my guess is they

3320
02:54:04,770 --> 02:54:02,920
were I don't know why I just guessed

3321
02:54:06,330 --> 02:54:04,780
that but I do but they could have been

3322
02:54:09,719 --> 02:54:06,340
anything but they were definitely human

3323
02:54:14,639 --> 02:54:09,729
beings and and that absolutely struck a

3324
02:54:16,590 --> 02:54:14,649
nerve now I want the the some of this

3325
02:54:18,510 --> 02:54:16,600
other stuff to stay in the book I want

3326
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:18,520
everybody to go and read it there's

3327
02:54:23,010 --> 02:54:20,800
there's so much there but I have a

3328
02:54:25,440 --> 02:54:23,020
couple of questions for myself you know

3329
02:54:26,670 --> 02:54:25,450
the the Jimmy Church I'm a dude I'm a

3330
02:54:31,139 --> 02:54:26,680
guy

3331
02:54:34,290 --> 02:54:31,149
let's get to some nuts and bolts so what

3332
02:54:37,290 --> 02:54:34,300
did you what else did you see inside of

3333
02:54:38,849 --> 02:54:37,300
the craft what did it smell like that

3334
02:54:44,700 --> 02:54:38,859
would do you remember that

3335
02:54:48,990 --> 02:54:44,710
I don't recall the smell I've been asked

3336
02:54:54,840 --> 02:54:49,000
that a couple of times and I I don't

3337
02:54:57,360 --> 02:54:54,850
recall a smell now I I can't I can't say

3338
02:54:59,960 --> 02:54:57,370
that I recall fair enough did you did

3339
02:55:02,820 --> 02:54:59,970
the craft ever feel like it was moving

3340
02:55:06,660 --> 02:55:02,830
it stationary

3341
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:06,670
it felt stationary okay now what next

3342
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:09,130
you describe stainless steel and white

3343
02:55:15,420 --> 02:55:12,970
and I get that I get that visual was it

3344
02:55:17,219 --> 02:55:15,430
was there anything on the walls you know

3345
02:55:20,700 --> 02:55:17,229
were there any paintings was there

3346
02:55:21,900 --> 02:55:20,710
anything you know was it was there

3347
02:55:25,580 --> 02:55:21,910
anything like that or was it just

3348
02:55:28,360 --> 02:55:25,590
completely clean no there were

3349
02:55:31,660 --> 02:55:28,370
hieroglyphic like markings

3350
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:31,670
their water and they were in you know

3351
02:55:36,370 --> 02:55:33,530
where you would have an X like over a

3352
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:36,380
portal or a doorway have you been able

3353
02:55:41,770 --> 02:55:38,890
to write those down and recall those I

3354
02:55:45,940 --> 02:55:41,780
maybe could if I were under hypnosis I

3355
02:55:49,420 --> 02:55:45,950
bet I could but I saw one thing that was

3356
02:55:51,460 --> 02:55:49,430
ornamental and it struck me and I don't

3357
02:55:54,250 --> 02:55:51,470
I don't know if I even made it a book or

3358
02:55:58,420 --> 02:55:54,260
not but there was a stainless steel

3359
02:56:03,400 --> 02:55:58,430
piano and engraved in the metal was kind

3360
02:56:06,370 --> 02:56:03,410
of a stylized S and then leaves like

3361
02:56:09,700 --> 02:56:06,380
Rick leaves off of a plant Wow

3362
02:56:11,200 --> 02:56:09,710
and maybe half a dozen and I thought and

3363
02:56:14,890 --> 02:56:11,210
that was the only thing I saw that was

3364
02:56:18,120 --> 02:56:14,900
kind of decorative and it just was so it

3365
02:56:23,740 --> 02:56:18,130
seems so out of place in this you know

3366
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:23,750
plane yeah yeah session yeah now were

3367
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:27,200
you did they did you walk around the

3368
02:56:34,360 --> 02:56:30,730
ship were you escorted anywhere else

3369
02:56:37,420 --> 02:56:34,370
yeah they took us down the hallway and

3370
02:56:40,360 --> 02:56:37,430
in the beginning that's one less that's

3371
02:56:43,240 --> 02:56:40,370
what I saw the group of 50 people and

3372
02:56:47,500 --> 02:56:43,250
that's when they took us and the the

3373
02:56:49,210 --> 02:56:47,510
grace herded us down this walkway that

3374
02:56:51,970 --> 02:56:49,220
was to the side now in the middle of the

3375
02:56:54,430 --> 02:56:51,980
thing it was all open for five stories

3376
02:56:58,060 --> 02:56:54,440
up you could look up and there were

3377
02:57:01,330 --> 02:56:58,070
walkways and offices and I don't know

3378
02:57:05,350 --> 02:57:01,340
what but they took us down a corridor

3379
02:57:07,660 --> 02:57:05,360
and this is all this is one of the

3380
02:57:11,440 --> 02:57:07,670
things that don't haunt my thoughts my

3381
02:57:15,690 --> 02:57:11,450
sleep on the wall there was a row of

3382
02:57:17,560 --> 02:57:15,700
aquariums and inside these aquariums

3383
02:57:18,511 --> 02:57:17,570
there were these things that look like

3384
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:18,521
puppies

3385
02:57:25,480 --> 02:57:22,730
how big how big were the aquariums the

3386
02:57:29,290 --> 02:57:25,490
aquariums were all about three feet in

3387
02:57:31,841 --> 02:57:29,300
diameter okay so they were circular know

3388
02:57:35,410 --> 02:57:31,851
they were square they were square okay

3389
02:57:39,790 --> 02:57:35,420
well they were square there was a

3390
02:57:41,700 --> 02:57:39,800
pinkish fluid inside them and I saw

3391
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:41,710
these things that look like puppies

3392
02:57:51,840 --> 02:57:46,690
and for some reason one of them twitched

3393
02:57:55,530 --> 02:57:51,850
and I think in the book I ice cream an

3394
02:57:58,110 --> 02:57:55,540
expletive and I must have passed that

3395
02:58:01,170 --> 02:57:58,120
because I I there's a blank space there

3396
02:58:03,930 --> 02:58:01,180
in the neighbor called hearing the zip

3397
02:58:09,950 --> 02:58:03,940
of the blood pressure cuff and rad was

3398
02:58:12,060 --> 02:58:09,960
taking my blood pressure but that visual

3399
02:58:15,870 --> 02:58:12,070
absolutely freaked me out

3400
02:58:17,969 --> 02:58:15,880
now when you say poppy are you saying

3401
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:17,979
fetus or are you saying something that

3402
02:58:23,190 --> 02:58:21,040
looked like a puppy like a dog at first

3403
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:23,200
glance it looked like a dog puppy to me

3404
02:58:30,210 --> 02:58:25,930
right no I think it was a fetus I think

3405
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:30,220
it was a fetus Wow and then I recognized

3406
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:36,250
them as being human laughter and I see

3407
02:58:40,200 --> 02:58:37,930
this in the book at first glance I take

3408
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:40,210
these 4 P of puppies and I'm looking at

3409
02:58:46,500 --> 02:58:43,680
them and then I can see no these are

3410
02:58:48,150 --> 02:58:46,510
formed there's a vertebrae there and

3411
02:58:52,200 --> 02:58:48,160
there are legs and these are these are

3412
02:58:58,080 --> 02:58:52,210
embryos but about the size of puppies

3413
02:59:07,490 --> 02:58:58,090
how many aquariums you know I miss that

3414
02:59:18,050 --> 02:59:07,500
a lot and I gotta say 50 holy crap now

3415
02:59:23,460 --> 02:59:18,060
is this is this farming boy you know

3416
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what what goes back to me is my

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interaction with Betty this alien that

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tells me that you know these things in

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my legs you know that they've been doing

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this for three generations now and I had

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and I don't know if this is in the book

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or not

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but he said something like there are

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alien alien-human hybrids and that's

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what she said she was and that's why she

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had human characteristics she could have

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come from one of those aquariums that

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was my thought teri I want to thank you

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what an extraordinary conversation I

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can't wait to get you on this show again

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there's so much more to talk about with

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you we got as much in tonight as we

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could and I want to thank you for that

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and thank you for opening up with us

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tonight the the book the links and all

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the information that everyone needs is

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over at Jimmy Church radio.com you can

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go and click and and go and get the book

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it is a fantastic read and Terry just

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just thank you for for the book and for

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coming out and and sharing these you

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know these are these are emotional

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memories and encounters and experiences

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of yours and this audience thanks you

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and I thank you support people should

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know this this stuff is real people

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should know we have so much more that we

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need to talk about and we will do it

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again very very soon thank you so much

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Terry and I say I say it at the end of

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every show keep rolling that rock uphill

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don't change

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mm-hmm Thank You Terry thank you thank

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you great conversation right there and

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all the way up to the end I have got to

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get credits going and get out of here

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before the network just you know does

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that thing and just cuts me off and what

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a great conversation tonight again the

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links are over at Jimmy Church radio.com

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thank you to terry Lovelace this

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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